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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Apparently I screwed up the quotes the first time I posted this, so I'll repost and give you a chance to respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    A 3.3 isn't university material. Period. Is that really the best example they can think of? A guidance councilor straight talking a student with a 3.3 GPA into attending community college instead of a four year university?

    Overassignment into special education? He didn't give any proof that a white and a black student with the exact same capabilities had differently likelihoods to be assigned to special education. I hate to bring IQ into a racial debate, but if one group on average has a lower IQ, then that group predictably would make up a higher percentage of those in special education.

    As for the example of the teachers, he didn't back this up so I can't directly criticize the methodology here. But, I wonder if there is a sort of hindsight 20/20, where the teachers who serve middle class white schools have higher achieving students, so they are seen as "better," and therefore more likely to retain their job and earn tenure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Moral of the story: More blacks are poor, so therefore more blacks are without healthcare. Unfortunately the article gives no proof as to why that is, or how it is a result of institutional racism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Pretty much just treats racism as a given, but doesn't actually support the conjecture. Well you can talk about the "effects" of racism until you are blue in the face, but if you aren't actually proving that something is directly racism instead of just an indirect negative affect, you can't call it "institutional racism."

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Prejudice from a source without the power to enforce that prejudice is meaningless.
    So then it doesnt matter if someone attacks someone based on their race as long as they have no power to enforce that prejudice?

    So then if a minority is racist against another minority it is meaningless?

    Or this?


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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your son's abuse has no societal implications, merely personal and family. Compared to institutionally pervasive oppression and privilege it is insignificant. While anecdotal evidence may be emotional and of great personal significance, racism (as opposed to racial bigotry) is a sociological discussion. This would be a case of, as others have falsely proposed, ~"it only hurts us if it hurts you"; there's no significant inherent sociological damage.
    You seem to be under the impression that this kind of thing only happens to at most a "few" people. Certainly you believe that its not enough to affect society. If that were the case then why are there so many white racists? Do you think that racism comes from some void or only by being passed down from father to son? Because I can tell you right now that is totally false.

    You also seem to forget that in this country a minorty race can have just as much pull on our society as the majority can due to the way our system is set up. Don't believe me? Take some history lessons as to how Jim Crow laws got abolished. Take a history lesson in to people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks who both affected society greatly.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    How would it lack societal implications? You have a public school system allowing white students to be singled out and abused. It might be happened in a smaller societal context, than the national level. But it's still clearly operating beyond the individual and family

    If it's happening in a public school system then how is it not institutional?
    Apparently its only institutional if whites do it.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So then it doesnt matter if someone attacks someone based on their race as long as they have no power to enforce that prejudice?

    So then if a minority is racist against another minority it is meaningless?

    Or this?

    Violence certainly qualifies. That is an exercise of power. But mean remarks against the powerful (racial, religious, and sexuality majority groups and males) by the powerless (basically everyone else) amount to nothing. Grow a little thick skin. Or maybe stop oppressing people and they won't try to hurt your precious feelings.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But mean remarks against the powerful (racial, religious, and sexuality majority groups and males) by the powerless (basically everyone else) amount to nothing.
    this assumes that "power" exists on some equal and constant continuum through out society


    Or maybe stop oppressing people and they won't try to hurt your precious feelings.
    I am not sure the automatic assumption that it's a response to oppression, or that the people being targeted are oppressors, holds much merit

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Violence certainly qualifies. That is an exercise of power. But mean remarks against the powerful (racial, religious, and sexuality majority groups and males) by the powerless (basically everyone else) amount to nothing. Grow a little thick skin. Or maybe stop oppressing people and they won't try to hurt your precious feelings.


    I should just grow thick skin because why? Is it because you are accusing me of personally oppressing people?

    I think that you have some explaining to do dude.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Violence certainly qualifies. That is an exercise of power. But mean remarks against the powerful (racial, religious, and sexuality majority groups and males) by the powerless (basically everyone else) amount to nothing. Grow a little thick skin. Or maybe stop oppressing people and they won't try to hurt your precious feelings.
    I'd say the same thing for the reciprocal.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's a racial slur but not racist. Racism requires institutional backing.
    Truth. A slur used by the oppressed to describe the oppressor is not racist.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quick question. Who are the oppressors? Am I by virtue of the color of my skin? Reginald Denny was an oppressor so dragging him out of his truck and beating him nearly to death because he happened to be white was justified?

    I seriously wouldn't make it in liberal land.

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