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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I do. Yes there is racism. But it is not significant. Unless you're the type that see racism in everything...even when talking about money going down a black hole.

    Years later I still crack up when I see that.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Dictionary definitions are not the end all be all meanings of words

    People make that mistake much too often
    Do you believe one can be a racist in a vacuum? In other words, even if there is no state/institution-sanctioned racism?
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    TEco has a point somewhat about the gravity of racial slurs having less significance coming from an historically oppressed class. Doesn't make it socially polite or good etiquette but they're still not on an equal footing institutionally.
    His point was that those slurs may be bigoted or prejudice but not racist.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Look, it's all semantic, but "racism" usually implies action. While "prejudice" or "bigotry" is based on thought or speech.

    I'll be honest, it's parsing. But that is what is usually used to differentiate the "harmless bigot" (the person who thinks / says terrible things about people of other races) from the "racist." This would be the person who denies a job, housing, or commits an act of violence against a person of another race or ethnicity.

    Again, parsing, but what Paula Deen did (regardless of what you think of it) isn't what George Zimmerman did. And if - IF - Zimmerman's actions are determined to be based on race, then that's obviously racism at its worst. Paula Deen said some nasty things and fantasized about a ridiculously stupid wedding reception - but she didn't kill anybody.

    Paula is (willfully or not) ignorant and doesn't deserve the scorn she received for admitting to being stupid. Zimmerman believed a black kid was automatically suspicious and (as it appears - I'll wait for final judgment) shot him. These are very different circumstances and we're talking about very different people.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    'Racism' is a form of bigotry or prejudice.
    Yes, a form based on race and with institutional backing.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Do you believe one can be a racist in a vacuum? In other words, even if there is no state/institution-sanctioned racism?
    I don't deal in hypothetical situations like that

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Your own wiki link states at the beginning: "Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior, or superior."

    Nothing in there about "institutional backing." Nothing about minorities not being able to be racist.
    From the wiki, as quoted earlier:

    Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as “culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities”.[23] Sociologists NoŽl A. Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as “...a highly organized system of 'race'-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/'race' supremacy.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, a form based on race and with institutional backing.
    That is not what your wiki link said.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    I don't deal in hypothetical situations like that
    Why not?
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    That is not what your wiki link said.
    That is a quote from the wiki link under definitions/sociological.

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