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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're missing the big (national) picture:

    Racial bigotry against whites has no affect on me.
    Racial bigotry against blacks has a tremendous affect on them (and thus us).

    Racial bigotry against me is not racism. There is no societal and thus institutional power for me to fear.
    Racial bigotry against blacks is racism. There is societal and institutional power behind the hatred.
    No I see what you are saying. I don't agree.

    You don't need an "institutional affect" for it to be racism....

    rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
    noun
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


    Argue with the accepted meaning of the word in our modern language. You can't just change the definition to suit yourself.

    PS: I still blame whitey. Of course by your definition since I am hurting no one that statement is not racist.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're missing the big (national) picture:

    Racial bigotry against whites has no affect on me.
    Racial bigotry against blacks has a tremendous affect on them (and thus us).

    Racial bigotry against me is not racism. There is no societal and thus institutional power for me to fear.
    Racial bigotry against blacks is racism. There is societal and institutional power behind the hatred.
    Unless you can come up with some specific examples of this institutionalized racism, then I'm not buying it.

    Explain how bigotry has a "huge" effect on black people, and I'm not talking about things that are already illegal, such as illegal discriminatory hiring practices.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Unless you can come up with some specific examples of this institutionalized racism, then I'm not buying it.

    Explain how bigotry has a "huge" effect on black people, and I'm not talking about things that are already illegal, such as illegal discriminatory hiring practices.
    I think this post does well, as an introduction:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
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    "One historic example of institutional racism is the barring of African-American students from attending certain public schools, which limited the students' educational opportunities and helped prevent them from achieving a status equal to that of others. Institutional racism need not involve intentional racial discrimination. For example, individual judges might intend to impose similar sentences for similar crimes; yet if Caucasian people tend to receive lighter punishments, plausibly institutional racism occurs." (Definition of Institutional Racism | Chegg.com) [In regards to that last sentence, think the crack-cocaine sentencing disparity.)

    Look also:

    Racism in Schools: Unintentional But No Less Damaging

    Examples of Institutional Racism | Educational Leadership Development Resource Library

    Institutional Racism in US Health Care

    http://webmedia.unmc.edu/community/c...cismReport.pdf

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Gladly

    "One historic example of institutional racism is the barring of African-American students from attending certain public schools, which limited the students' educational opportunities and helped prevent them from achieving a status equal to that of others. Institutional racism need not involve intentional racial discrimination. For example, individual judges might intend to impose similar sentences for similar crimes; yet if Caucasian people tend to receive lighter punishments, plausibly institutional racism occurs." (Definition of Institutional Racism | Chegg.com) [In regards to that last sentence, think the crack-cocaine sentencing disparity.)

    Look also:

    Racism in Schools: Unintentional But No Less Damaging

    Examples of Institutional Racism | Educational Leadership Development Resource Library

    Institutional Racism in US Health Care

    http://webmedia.unmc.edu/community/c...cismReport.pdf
    Interesting, but historical things don't count. We're talking about today, modern times.

    I find one of the links interesting where they talk about special education. Do you actually believe that schools just throw black children into special education classes for the hell of it? Or do you think perhaps these children really do have special needs. Perhaps because they come from a poor household with a single parent who spends much of his/her time at work and doesn't have the time to actually teach their child or help their child to overcome difficulties at school?

    I've got to say that some of the things included in those links show some seriously paranoid thought processes. THAT is worrisome.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    One example means absolutely nothing in regards to the actual studies done that are published.

    EDIT: Also, really, your source is an NYT article from almost 20 years ago about how there was a slip-up? Come on man, you can do better than that.
    It wasn't a slip up. He purposely made up garbage and it got approved in a highly "respected" journal.

    My point is, sociology as a whole is based on interpretation. It doesn't matter if articles are peer reviewed by other sociologists because the study as a whole is rooted in interpretation.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think this post does well, as an introduction:
    I have to disagree. A lot of it was just silly if you ask me. There are legitimate problems in the black community. Now you can claim that is because of racism. I think it has more to do with a victim mentality.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Interesting, but historical things don't count. We're talking about today, modern times.

    I find one of the links interesting where they talk about special education. Do you actually believe that schools just throw black children into special education classes for the hell of it? Or do you think perhaps these children really do have special needs. Perhaps because they come from a poor household with a single parent who spends much of his/her time at work and doesn't have the time to actually teach their child or help their child to overcome difficulties at school?

    I've got to say that some of the things included in those links show some seriously paranoid thought processes. THAT is worrisome.
    Maybe the kid comes from a single parent home where the parent is turning tricks or smoking to much crack. no seriously, it may be exactly as you say, I mean I don't know if it is happening today or not. Growing up and as a parent I never saw it. Does not mean it does not exist.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ecofarm's definition comes from an academic, specifically sociological, viewpoint as something such as race is a social construction and thus in order to get a better understanding of race and how it works in the overall society, he examines it through a sociological lens. Rather than use the everyday vernacular, he aims for a specific definition of what racism is and this informs his view of what is or is not racist, something which can be applied to any and all societies. Rather than looking at the actions of the individual, Ecofarm aims to looks at the social institutions within society and how they truly work rather than what they espouse to do or people think that they do. Such a view would lead him to realize that everything that deals with race in America, from the very idea of race to what is racist/racism, are institutionally based and that these institutions back one group over the other. Thus, he differentiates between what racism is and what bigotry is, noting racism is institutionally-based and thus is in and affects the society at large, whereas bigotry is based on the micro-level.

    I think that if the situation were reverse, in terms of what race dominated American society (blacks rather than whites), Ecofarm would be stating that what Trayvon said was racist.

    I am not saying that I agree or disagree with Ecofarm, I am just trying to explain his reasoning behind his definition.

    To Ecofarm: Please correct me if I said anything wrong, that you disagree with.

    EDIT: Changed "bigoted" to "racist" for clarification.
    As you say, he is describing a specific form of racism, no one is denying that. However, he is concluding that all other forms of racism aren't racism. That's provably inacurate unless he wishes to completely redefine the word to only have one specific contextual meaning. Even by his own standards, he's changed his definition multiple times throughout the thread as and when it suited him.

    He's not just claiming to define what constitutes racism, he's also claiming to define what isn't racism. He's doing it wrong.
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