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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Liberals believe they can, and they want the power of goverment to do it. That is one reason they don't believe in property rights.
    It'll never happen. We can't legislate kindness, understanding or morality, so unfortunately we're stuck with them for all eternity!

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No problem. Go on believing that a minority pissing in the wind is as threatening as actual racism oppressing minorities and providing privilege to whites.
    You are literally incapable of backing up anything you say aren't you? Every sociology professor I've had demonstrated this exact same problem. I thought they were just anomalies, but I guess facts takes a backseat to sounding good to other sociologists, eh?

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ecofarm's definition comes from an academic, specifically sociological, viewpoint as something such as race is a social construction and thus in order to get a better understanding of race and how it works in the overall society, he examines it through a sociological lens. Rather than use the everyday vernacular, he aims for a specific definition of what racism is and this informs his view of what is or is not racist, something which can be applied to any and all societies. Rather than looking at the actions of the individual, Ecofarm aims to looks at the social institutions within society and how they truly work rather than what they espouse to do or people think that they do. Such a view would lead him to realize that everything that deals with race in America, from the very idea of race to what is racist/racism, are institutionally based and that these institutions back one group over the other. Thus, he differentiates between what racism is and what bigotry is, noting racism is institutionally-based and thus is in and affects the society at large, whereas bigotry is based on the micro-level.

    I think that if the situation were reverse, in terms of what race dominated American society (blacks rather than whites), Ecofarm would be stating that what Trayvon said was bigoted.

    I am not saying that I agree or disagree with Ecofarm, I am just trying to explain his reasoning behind his definition.

    To Ecofarm: Please correct me if I said anything wrong, that you disagree with.
    Its called a sociological imagination for a reason. Its merely an interpretation, but offers absolutely zero value as to whether or not such a position is actually correct/rooted in fact.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ecofarm's definition comes from an academic, specifically sociological, viewpoint as something such as race is a social construction and thus in order to get a better understanding of race and how it works in the overall society, he examines it through a sociological lens. Rather than use the everyday vernacular, he aims for a specific definition of what racism is and this informs his view of what is or is not racist, something which can be applied to any and all societies. Rather than looking at the actions of the individual, Ecofarm aims to looks at the social institutions within society and how they truly work rather than what they espouse to do or people think that they do. Such a view would lead him to realize that everything that deals with race in America, from the very idea of race to what is racist/racism, are institutionally based and that these institutions back one group over the other. Thus, he differentiates between what racism is and what bigotry is, noting racism is institutionally-based and thus is in and affects the society at large, whereas bigotry is based on the micro-level.

    I think that if the situation were reverse, in terms of what race dominated American society (blacks rather than whites), Ecofarm would be stating that what Trayvon said was bigoted.

    I am not saying that I agree or disagree with Ecofarm, I am just trying to explain his reasoning behind his definition.

    To Ecofarm: Please correct me if I said anything wrong, that you disagree with.
    The problem is you have to name these institutions. I don't know of any governmental institutions that promote racism. That needs clarification.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You are literally incapable of backing up anything you say aren't you? Every sociology professor I've had demonstrated this exact same problem. I thought they were just anomalies, but I guess facts takes a backseat to sounding good to other sociologists, eh?
    If you want someone to prove racism exists in America, start a thread and perhaps one of our middle-schoolers could help.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It'll never happen. We can't legislate kindness, understanding or morality, so unfortunately we're stuck with them for all eternity!
    Well that's right however liberals use the power of goverment to force people into associations against their will .they look at racism and discrimination as a crime...which it is not, and want people punished by the courts.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The idea is not to purge society of ignorant haters but to eliminate their influence from our institutions. That has not yet occurred and this actual racism (as opposed to powerless bigotry) still exists in America. This actual oppression and privilege is a much bigger problem than common race-based bigotry that carries no real societal threat or power.
    Which institutions oppress minorities? As others have noted, we DO have a black president who was elected by the individuals in this society that you claim to be based on some institutionalized racism. Fifty to 100 years ago, I would have agreed with you. But now, not so much.

    Of course, I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any evidence to back what you are saying.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ecofarm's definition comes from an academic, specifically sociological, viewpoint as something such as race is a social construction and thus in order to get a better understanding of race and how it works in the overall society, he examines it through a sociological lens. Rather than use the everyday vernacular, he aims for a specific definition of what racism is and this informs his view of what is or is not racist, something which can be applied to any and all societies. Rather than looking at the actions of the individual, Ecofarm aims to looks at the social institutions within society and how they truly work rather than what they espouse to do or people think that they do. Such a view would lead him to realize that everything that deals with race in America, from the very idea of race to what is racist/racism, are institutionally based and that these institutions back one group over the other. Thus, he differentiates between what racism is and what bigotry is, noting racism is institutionally-based and thus is in and affects the society at large, whereas bigotry is based on the micro-level.

    I think that if the situation were reverse, in terms of what race dominated American society (blacks rather than whites), Ecofarm would be stating that what Trayvon said was bigoted.

    I am not saying that I agree or disagree with Ecofarm, I am just trying to explain his reasoning behind his definition.

    To Ecofarm: Please correct me if I said anything wrong, that you disagree with.
    That's correct except for the bold, which I presume is a typo. It should read: '... what Trayvon said was racist'.

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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The problem is you have to name these institutions. I don't know of any governmental institutions that promote racism. That needs clarification.
    Institutions don't have to be government. It can be the media (eg mainstream news channels), educational institutions (eg colleges), and the like.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Its called a sociological imagination for a reason. Its merely an interpretation, but offers absolutely zero value as to whether or not such a position is actually correct/rooted in fact.
    That's what academic, peer-reviewed sociological studies are for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's correct except for the bold, which I presume is a typo. It should read: '... what Trayvon said was racist'.

    I edited the post to reflect the change.
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    re: Creepy Ass Cracker.... Racist or no? [W:329/550]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Institutions don't have to be government. It can be the media (eg mainstream news channels), educational institutions (eg colleges), and the like.
    Okay. I just want to see some examples of institutionalized racism.

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