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    Stealing or not?

    I've come to find myself in a bit of a dilemma. The company I work for is knowingly using another companies negotiated rate at a national hotel chain without permission. So my question is, is this stealing? Is it stealing to present yourself to a hotel as an employee of brand x when you working for competing brand y?
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    Stealing or not?

    I think fraud is a better term.
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    Re: Stealing or not?

    How does them being a competitor figure into the ethical equation?

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    Re: Stealing or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I've come to find myself in a bit of a dilemma. The company I work for is knowingly using another companies negotiated rate at a national hotel chain without permission. So my question is, is this stealing? Is it stealing to present yourself to a hotel as an employee of brand x when you working for competing brand y?
    Theft implies that you illegally deprived someone of their property.So I would say no.But it is dishonest to present yourself as brand x when you are really brand y.I would say that it is fraud.
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    Stealing or not?

    This is fraud.

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    Re: Stealing or not?

    Technically no. Morally yes.

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    Re: Stealing or not?

    Yep, fraud, not theft.

    Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage.

    Theft occurs when one either knowingly obtains or exerts unauthorized control over the property of another, or Knowingly obtains by deception control over the property of another, with intent to deprive the owner of his or her property,

    They key issue is that although deception has occurred, there is no "taking" of "property." So, if you physically steal money, you are actually taking property. However, when you defraud the hotel of it's proper rate, even though there is a loss of profit you have not physically taken property.

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    Re: Stealing or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I've come to find myself in a bit of a dilemma. The company I work for is knowingly using another companies negotiated rate at a national hotel chain without permission. So my question is, is this stealing? Is it stealing to present yourself to a hotel as an employee of brand x when you working for competing brand y?
    hasn't the lodging company entered into a contract - with specified rate - of the customer
    the company was not denied the ability to refuse to offer that rate
    the party which writes the contract has an expectation of knowing what was intended to a greater degree than the other party to the contract
    so, no harm, no foul


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    if the party seeking lodging knowingly misrepresents any information collected by the lodging company, then they may be engaging in fraudulent behavior
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    Re: Stealing or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How does them being a competitor figure into the ethical equation?
    You don't have expressed permission to use the discount.
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    Re: Stealing or not?

    The other company probably bought a block of rooms at a discount rate but that doesn't mean the hotel can give other customers a discount, too. The hotel just wants to fill rooms, period.

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