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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
TiredOfLife is that the only Religion that frowns on it?
 
USNavySquid said:
i agree that orientation = who you are attracted. I believe we can change our attractions.
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Do you believe you can choose to be attracted to a woman you find incredibly unattractive?
 
USNavySquid said:
I think we are all bisexual. To me, Bisexual means that one can choose his/her orientation and change as many times he/she wants.
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That's not really accurate either. It's a sliding scale with most on one side or the other. The ones in the middle play around more and boys tend to have homosexual experiences at certain ages and men in certain situations. That's not bisexuality however, just homosexual acts.
 
USNavySquid said:
i agree that orientation = who you are attracted. I believe we can change our attractions.
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An alternating orientation isn't bisexual, bisexual is a rather static orientation. my sexual attraction or orientation never altered and it never will. I am certainly not bisexual.
 
CLAX1911 said:
first off there are no denominators in sexuality, that is fractions. Now if you are using fractions as a metaphor fir something what is this common thing. (sorry, that common denominator thing is one of my pet peeves)
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"Denominator." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 4 Aug. 2013. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/denominator>.

You just told me i am bisexual, no i am not, i know meter than you about my sexuality.
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Of course you do. I said, "I believe we are all bisexual." That is a statement of my personal belief.


You suggested that it was circumstances that made me gay, you never elaborated on that "theory." Do so now, what circumstances?
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I didn't suggest it. I asked it. I don't know what circumstances. I was hoping to learn from You.
 
"change as many times he/she wants" well then in that case it is just a simple matter of choice?
All I know is the concept of being sodomized isn't something I could ever 'go for' if I lived ten lifetimes.
 
well CLAX I have no idea what the Hindus or Buddhists think about it either
nor do their beliefs affect me in anyway as I'm an Atheist.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
well CLAX I have no idea what the Hindus or Buddhists think about it either
nor do their beliefs affect me in anyway as I'm an Atheist.
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Atheist? A poor choice. God is an open question, and likely always will be. Come on over to the logical folks, the Agnostics.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
"change as many times he/she wants" well then in that case it is just a simple matter of choice?
All I know is the concept of being sodomized isn't something I could ever 'go for' if I lived ten lifetimes.
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Most American men love it, although we call it a blowjob. It's also Sodomy.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Now you are putting words in my mouth.
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You're right. i misspoke. I should have said, "It seems to me that you are such-in-such." Instead, I made a statement like this, "You are such-in-such." My mistake.


At least get it right.

My perspective on you is that you are an "everybody is just like me opinion, there isn't even a choice of either or, its your way or no way.
you believe things about my sexuality? Its none of your concern. I am not bisexual I thought i was for a long time, I wanted to be because i could have a choice. But I am gay. Listen it isn't your way or no way. Most people can't change their orientation because that dint have the same orientation as you do. Yours is fixed you will always be bisexual, its the orientation with the most choice. But out will likely not change you even said it wouldn't.

Let me put it this way, I have experienced bisexuality, I know first hand it isn't the same for everybody. I couldn't choose, i attempted. By your own Admission you are to scared to try. So don't sit in your ivory tower and tell somebody who has tried that they just didn't try hard enough. You don't know. I have walked the mile and survived you are to afraid to do so. So don't you lecture me on it..
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I feel the heat of your self-righteous fire. Something I said set you off. You've reacted. I hope you feel better. I re-iterate: I only state what I believe and I question beliefs. Remember what website you are on.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I only know of very few Christian denominations that frown on it.
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That must be an interesting Bible you have there? What does it say about the Love of Money?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I tried to make it clear that I asserted that people are different. You make it sound as if all people are the same.

But again one needs not do A and B to decide to pick B or A. What you are claiming is a false dilemma of sorts. You are claiming that for their to be a choice one must first be bisexual. Which I am sure is true for some people but that doesnt mean that all people who can choose their sexuality are bisexual. Some people can simply say hey I am gay without ever kissing or doing anything sexual with the opposite sex or even the same sex.

Now the part where you are inferring that there wasnt a choice because something else was at play is only relevant for those that claim that their sexuality isnt a choice. You are trying to over simplify sexuality way too much. Human is a very complex system of variables. For example I met a lady at a artists party once that said that she was born a male in a females body. But she was dressed very very femininely, she asserted that she was a gay man so she dresses and acts like a woman. And to further demonstrate the complexities, Some people identify as being female when their body is male but they are straight. Personally I dont dispute anyones sexuality since that is their personal situation.
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No I'm not.

People are different do to many factors. John, for example, is simply not attracted to females. There's no choice. He just isn't attracted to them. Never was and never will be. Sue, for example, could never really be attracted to females either. She just isn't built that way. Again no choice.

My problem s with those of you who insist it s choice, but demonstrate no mechanism for making this supposed choice. Instead, you show people who never once considered any alternative other than the one they always were attracted to. It's like you don't understand the nature of choosing. If I cannot consider any alternative, there is no choice at all.
 
USNavySquid said:
"Denominator." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 4 Aug. 2013. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/denominator>.
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you said common denominator, that is a phrase used in mathematics.

You never clarified what "common denominator" or numerator you were speaking of. I get your metaphor and there is no need to be condensing, and post a dictionary definition of only part of the phrase you used. Its dishonest and frankly lazy.

All that aside I mean it, i don't want to argue stupid semantics, i will delete it out of any further quotes and not discuss it any way further.

What is this mysterious common VARIABLE that you speak of?


Of course you do. I said, "I believe we are all bisexual." That is a statement of my personal belief.
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some people believe in leprechauns. Who cares?



I didn't suggest it. I asked it. I don't know what circumstances. I was hoping to learn from You.
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These are the circumstances, I am gay, not bisexual. I know myself better than you know me. I don't really know why, frankly I have up caring why because it rally isn't important. I know i didn't choose it, if you did, hooray for you but just because you interpret bisexual orientation to be alternating orientation, not that that interpretation is wrong, but you ate dead wrong in the assumption that everybody is bi. I am not again I know myself better than you know me.
 
CriticalThought said:
Unfounded. Some people, most people in fact, do not get aroused by the same sex. You are calling the vast majority of society a bunch of liars.
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I know what people say. They say they have tried and tried to be attracted to the opp sex and it hasn't worked. I'm not calling them liars. They are experts on their own experiences.


Thank you. I have evidence it cannot be charged and it is harmful and wrong to try.
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I dispute that evidence. i question the conclusions. For instance. I agree that many attempts have failed, but i disagree that the attempts failed b/c it was impossible to achieve. I propose that the attempts failed due to improper procedures/approaches/underlying assumptions etc. -Not because orientation absolutely can not change/be changed.


I work at a prison. It is not a natural setting for humans. The need for contact is greater than even the need for sex and people will get that contact any way they can.
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They will get it by overriding something that you seem to be saying is unchangeable. No. That will lead us to the "it's more than just sex that defines orientation" discussion. Would you like to go there?
 
TiredOfLife "the Agnostics" ?
is that a bi kinda thing?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Greed isn't the topic of this thread. Scripture never mentions homosexuality.
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Really? Did you miss Leviticus? How about that little-known fellow named Paul? I know the Bible friend, that's why I rejected Christianity. Still, it says what it says even if its meaning and context tends to get lost in translation at times.
 
Lakryte said:
Yes, he enjoys the feeling, even though it is a woman. And he may even fantasize about men while with the woman. People masturbate, even without any visual porn, but that doesn't mean they are attracted to themselves.

How on earth does focusing on a mental picture of a man while having sex with the woman mean the man is straight? You are only further proving the reality that homosexuality is not a choice. Why to homosexuals commit suicide then? Why don't they just choose to be straight? Here is a challenge for you: choose to be gay. Try really hard. You seem so sure its a choice--make it yourself. Then, once you have proven it, choose to be straight again. No long term problems. It would be incredibly easy to prove it were all a choice if you could do that...but you can't.

Sexuality is not a choice. Period.
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Refer to #562.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I attempted to explain it to him, but he simply doesn't understand. Sexuality is far more than friction. If I don't feel attraction to someone I can't choose to be attracted to them, you either are or are not. Thus idea that he has that you can force yourself to become attracted to someone is a recipe for disaster.

But he is the kind of guy that thinks everybody us exactly like him. He repeatedly said that all people are bisexual with nothing to back it up. Personally I wouldn't put much weight into what he says.
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I repeatedly said that I believe we are all bisexuals.
 
USNavySquid said:
You're right. i misspoke. I should have said, "It seems to me that you are such-in-such." Instead, I made a statement like this, "You are such-in-such." My mistake.
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Your mistake was actually accusing me of what you just did. I don't care that you misinterpret language.

You said I am an either or type person, which isn't true but you haven't bothered to attempt to understand that but even your faulty assessment of my philosophical opinion on sexuality offers more latitude than yours, you say you are absolutely right and you know everybody else and their sexuality better than they do.

This is arrogant and narcissistic.
I feel the heat of your self-righteous fire. Something I said set you off. You've reacted. I hope you feel better. I re-iterate: I only state what I believe and I question beliefs. Remember what website you are on.
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I am sorry you find my response self righteous, perhaps you need to stop reading posts if you are so sensitive. I was giving my opinion same as you. I qualified it with my experience and education.
 
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