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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
davidtaylorjr said:
That's fine, the OP asked for our opinion and I gave it.
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have you seen the bit in the BIBLE where JESUS sez "the old law is obsolete"
its GONE dood! the only "law" is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
DIG IT!
 
Menard_K said:
have you seen the bit in the BIBLE where JESUS sez "the old law is obsolete"
its GONE dood! the only "law" is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
DIG IT!
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Actually that is not what Jesus said.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
I have to question the notion that homosexuality is a choice. I mean, there are places where that can get you killed, yet homosexuals are still found there. Why would they choose to be gay in that situation where the threat of death exists?
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Human beings are fundamentally irrational creatures. By the logic you have put forward, why would anyone in their right mind choose to be Goth, Emo, or Furry given the stigma those lifestyles attract? Why would anyone in ancient Rome have chosen to be Christian, or anyone living under Franco or Pinochet's regimes have chosen to be Left Wing?

Granted, such willful contrarianism can have a tendency to be rather rare, but homosexuality tends to be rather rare (2-4% of any given population) anyway.

It's hardly unthinkable that at least some of the individuals making up their number might "choose" to embrace a homosexual lifestyle purely as a matter of personal preference in spite of the drawbacks.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Leviticus 18:22
New King James Version (NKJV)

22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
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thanks you for proving me right

you just described homosexual SEX

not homosexuality

like i said you were factually wrong, homosexuality in itself is not a sin as you just proved
 
AGENT J said:
thanks you for proving me right

you just described homosexual SEX

not homosexuality

like i said you were factually wrong, homosexuality in itself is not a sin as you just proved
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Actually no, you are still wrong:

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27).
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Actually no, you are still wrong:

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27).
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nope because you dont have to have LUSTFUL thoughts to be hetero or homo sexual

also see the word ACTS and relations
wrong again

homosexuality itself is not a sin, this fact will not change, please stop you are factually wrong and making it look worse
 
AGENT J said:
nope because you dont have to have LUSTFUL thoughts to be hetero or homo sexual

also see the word ACTS and relations
wrong again

homosexuality itself is not a sin, this fact will not change, please stop you are factually wrong and making it look worse
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Sadly you don't know what you are talking about.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Sadly you don't know what you are talking about.
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nope all the evidence and facts support me, if you disagree please show us evidence that homosexuality itself is a sin, ill wait
by all the logic you presented all sexuality would be a sin

its ok facts prove you wrong again, we talked about this, just man up, be honest and admit you misspoke or continue be dishonest
 
AGENT J said:
nope all the evidence and facts support me, if you disagree please show us evidence that homosexuality itself is a sin, ill wait
by all the logic you presented all sexuality would be a sin

its ok facts prove you wrong again, we talked about this, just man up, be honest and admit you misspoke or continue be dishonest
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It's not dishonest. You are too prideful to know you are wrong. The Bible is clear that thoughts are the same as action. Jesus said whoever looks upon a woman with lust has committed adultery.

Homosexuality is a choice, and a sin, doesn't matter if you can't seem to think that because you want to splice words together and apart.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
1.)It's not dishonest. 2.)You are too prideful to know you are wrong. 3.)The Bible is clear that thoughts are the same as action.
4.) Jesus said whoever looks upon a woman with lust has committed adultery.

Homosexuality is a choice, and a sin, doesn't matter if you can't seem to think that because you want to splice words together and apart.
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1.) yes it is and its been proven
2.) has nothing to do with me, facts prove you wrong
3.) and there doesnt have to be lustful thoughts with homosexuality or any sexuality, further proving you wrong
4.) again this has nothing to do with sexuality

you have been factually proving wrong many times now and denying it is just dishonest, if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide factual proof that homosexuality itself is a sin, we are waiting
 
Gathomas88 said:
Human beings are fundamentally irrational creatures. By the logic you have put forward, why would anyone in their right mind choose to be Goth, Emo, or Furry given the stigma those lifestyles attract? Why would anyone in ancient Rome have chosen to be Christian, or anyone living under Franco or Pinochet's regimes have chosen to be Left Wing?

Granted, such willful contrarianism can have a tendency to be rather rare, but homosexuality tends to be rather rare (2-4% of any given population) anyway.

It's hardly unthinkable that at least some of the individuals making up their number might "choose" to embrace a homosexual lifestyle purely as a matter of personal preference in spite of the drawbacks.
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Correct. The "why would someone subject them self to that?" has never been a valid counterpoint. People do that all the time. For example, why would someone in the south in the 1960s enter into an inter-racial marriage... knowing they're going to be ostracized by family and society?
 
I had to catch up with 8 pages this morning, but there have been some great conversation and debate going on here. Especially between CA, CC, and USNS. :)
 
Gathomas88 said:
Human beings are fundamentally irrational creatures. By the logic you have put forward, why would anyone in their right mind choose to be Goth, Emo, or Furry given the stigma those lifestyles attract?
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I'm not really sure the social stigma compares to death.

Why would anyone in ancient Rome have chosen to be Christian,
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I'm assuming because the fall back of the afterlife in Heaven was deemed worth it.



It's hardly unthinkable that at least some of the individuals making up their number might "choose" to embrace a homosexual lifestyle purely as a matter of personal preference in spite of the drawbacks.
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Wait. If it's their personal preference to embrace the 'homosexual lifestyle', then how is it really a choice? Do you 'choose' your taste in music?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
It's not dishonest. You are too prideful to know you are wrong. The Bible is clear that thoughts are the same as action. Jesus said whoever looks upon a woman with lust has committed adultery.

Homosexuality is a choice, and a sin, doesn't matter if you can't seem to think that because you want to splice words together and apart.
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Just because you believe in fairy tails (Santa, tooth fairy, Jesus) does not mean you proved your points. The bible can't even get the age of the earth or the time of the dinosaurs right.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Actually no, you are still wrong:

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27).
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Sorry to dispute you in this matter, as you were partly correct in Leviticus 18:22 (partly because it is a direct admonition from God to Moses, but partly incorrect because as I understand it, it only forbids sodomy in the original Hebrew).

However, I would ask you to remember that when quoting from either Romans or Corinthians, you are actually quoting from letters written by Paul of Tarsus to church groups in Rome and Greece. They were asking questions and seeking guidance from him. BUT, they are neither commands of God, nor revelations from Jesus, merely Paul's instructions to other church members.
 
USNavySquid said:
Are you a homosexual who declares that anyone who says they have a choice, is automatically a bisexual? Thus preserving that notion that sexual orientation is unchangeable? What do you think attraction is? It is a by-product of attention. Your eyes don't automatically follow an appealing specimen, you willfully point them to it.
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No, attention is a by-product of attraction. I am gay and a gave a girl attention for 3 years who I dated and I was never attracted to her. In fact, I was always attracted to the guys I tried not to pay attention to. The reason I tried not to pay attention to them was because I didn't want to be attracted to them.

No. Attraction is unchangeable. Don't delude yourself.
 
I believe that for a certain percentage of people, it is innate.
For a certain other percentage of people, it is a choice.

I have no idea what those percentages are.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I believe that for a certain percentage of people, it is innate.
For a certain other percentage of people, it is a choice.

I have no idea what those percentages are.
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Why do you believe that?
 
Moderator's Warning:
Folks, there's an ENTIRE forum dedicated to your back and forth debating over the interpritation of religious texts. I suggest you take that discussion there rather than continuing to derail this thread
 
Lakryte said:
No, attention is a by-product of attraction. I am gay and a gave a girl attention for 3 years who I dated and I was never attracted to her. In fact, I was always attracted to the guys I tried not to pay attention to. The reason I tried not to pay attention to them was because I didn't want to be attracted to them.

No. Attraction is unchangeable. Don't delude yourself.
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Your post makes sense to me. While I'm heterosexual, I don't recall having made a choice. I can't explain my attraction to females. I've always assumed that my sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic.

The above said, while I think that environmental homosexuality exist, I believe it's the exception, not the rule. In fact, I can even believe that there are homosexuals who become environment heterosexuals.

But the bottom line for me is that I believe that sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic for most people...regardless of what their sexual orientation is.

At what point in time (prior to our birth) did any of us check off a selection list of immutable characteristics as preferences for our existence here on good old planet earth? And if there was such a list...who or what in the hell made it up? Who or what would ensure such a list be manifested into a human being as per such a list?

I suggest that such a list is impossible.

And furthermore, I suggest that we (all humans) are an uncontrollable product of circumstance of birth in which we had no way to design ourselves. In other words, we are born just the way we are...without any predetermination as to any of our immutable characteristics.

Thanks for your post...
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes it is and its been proven
2.) has nothing to do with me, facts prove you wrong
3.) and there doesnt have to be lustful thoughts with homosexuality or any sexuality, further proving you wrong
4.) again this has nothing to do with sexuality

you have been factually proving wrong many times now and denying it is just dishonest, if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide factual proof that homosexuality itself is a sin, we are waiting
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You assume sexuality is separate from acts.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Sorry to dispute you in this matter, as you were partly correct in Leviticus 18:22 (partly because it is a direct admonition from God to Moses, but partly incorrect because as I understand it, it only forbids sodomy in the original Hebrew).

However, I would ask you to remember that when quoting from either Romans or Corinthians, you are actually quoting from letters written by Paul of Tarsus to church groups in Rome and Greece. They were asking questions and seeking guidance from him. BUT, they are neither commands of God, nor revelations from Jesus, merely Paul's instructions to other church members.
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Ever heard of the Inspiration of God?
 
The 14(I don't know) are, IMO, the smartest
I am in the majority
Those, in the minority, I wonder about.....but not worry about...they are "soft wired" .
Yes, one's environment plays a definite role in some cases, maybe many instances, but, ultimately, one is hard wired, and there is no choice...
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Ever heard of the Inspiration of God?
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Yes, I have. It has caused more problems and more divisions within the Christiam Church than in any other religious organization. At last count over 41,000! They can't ALL be right, can they?

Then how many different versions of the Bible are there? Estimates of anywhere from a few dozens to several hundred, depending on which authority you believe. They can't ALL be right, can they?

Personally, I adhere to those parts of the Bible where God has issued direct commandments, and this includes those laid out by his incarnation on earth, Jesus Christ. (Who clearly stated many many times, no human being is capable of judging the sins of another human being, that is the sole perview of God.) Aside from Leviticus 18:22 which forbids sodomy, there is not a single admonition or command from God (or Jesus) which forbids or comdemns homosexuality.
 
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