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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Well the majority of gay people concentrate really hard on being straight for most of their young lives, and it doesn't work. Not only that, but they never concentrated on becoming gay in the first place, so it clearly is not a choice. If you think homosexuality is a choice, then choose it. Good luck.
    There are many reasons why I don't choose homosexuality. I described my fear of social consequences and my fear of an identity crisis (also a social consequence) in an earlier post. I know, I know. You would say that I MUST be a bisexual or maybe a closet homosexual, living as a heterosexual. I would agree with the former, because as I said before, I *believe* we can change orientation/attraction... and that makes us bisexuals.


    No, which is why I said you can't choose to have a bisexual orientation. Orientation cannot be chosen. When you talk about people being with girls and then guys, you can only assume they are bisexual. It makes no sense to assume they are changing orientations.
    That is based on the unproven premise that orientation can't be chosen. But what if it can? Then more of that line of logic collapses. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong and I am right. I'm only discussing what I believe and questioning what you believe.

    Before posting, I re-read the APA's blurbs on orientation and its causes. Regarding cause, the APA reports that there is no consensus regarding factor(s) that may lead to orientation. The APA also states that "most people experience little or no sense of choice" in the matter. This last sentence, of course is not conclusive proof.

    I'm sticking to this topic as long as I have people who read and respond to my ideas. Here's another idea....

    Gender equality is on the rise in America. Activities in school that were once segregated are now not. Boys can play dress up and doll house in kindergarten and girls can build block towers and knock 'em down. High school sports are becoming more desegregated. Female place kickers and quarterbacks on the football team. Even if the teams are not integrated, more schools are creating leagues for the girls to play the same sports as the boys, such as lacrosse.

    Those are just a few examples. There are plenty of non-examples. But I believe that the trend is toward equality.

    Now, assuming that girls can do what boys can do, and vice versa, (Oh! and females are now allowed on navy submarines and their role in combat is expanding) the obvious gender differences (gender, not sex, not biology) are getting smaller. What are some other gender differences besides clothing, haircuts, sports, and toys? Here is my idea...

    The romantic love that a man feels for a woman and vice versa was based in large part on gender differences. This romantic love was defined in part by the fact that it was different from male-male camaraderie/loyalty and female-female camaraderie/loyalty. Traditionally speaking, male-male camaraderie is not romantic; is not love. Or is it?

    If the gender differences listed above are disappearing/getting smaller, then why can't the same be said of the difference b/w male-male (heterosexual) camaraderie and female-female (heterosexual) camaraderie as compared to male-female romantic love?

    Here's an example. BTW I'm sorry if I'm not making myself clear. This is a new idea and I'm hearing it for the first time myself. Example: I have a few close friends in life. Male friends. My buds, my bros. Guys I tell every secret to, guys with whom I feel no shame because we know each other for so long and so well. Guys I served with, was deployed with, guys I went to college and grew up with. I am loyal to these guys. I am there when they need me, I do not hesitate to ask them for help. When I walk into a room full of strangers and one of my bros is there, I immediately feel better/relieved. This feeling of relief is very similar to the feeling I get when I meet my wife in a room full of strangers. Likewise, the devotion and loyalty and sacrifices I would make to these guy friends are the same (as far as I can tell) that I would make for my wife.

    Can it then be concluded that my love for my guy friends the same as my love for my wife? Now, with gender differences taken into account, you would say no. Guys are just buddies, life-long, throw-theirselves-on-a-grenade-for-you buddies. While women/wives are the ones we get intimate with, write poetry for, go through embarrassing situations with her friends/relatives for, have children with, grow old and die with. Afterall, we are men and they are women and THAT is the difference. But... if gender differences among clothing, haircuts, toys, sports and combat are going away, then shouldn't the distinction b/w feelings for bro's and spouses go away too?

    Furthermore, I would share my writing with my bros and be their wingman in any social occasion no matter how embarrassing. So that distinction b/w bro-love and wife-love also disintegrates.

    In other words, If all or nearly all gender differences b/w men and women disappear, resulting in men and women fulfilling identical roles in both society and relationships (cooking, cleaning, changing the oil, fixing the garbage disposal) then what remains that separates Bro-Love from Wife-Love?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    I am interested in curing both but seeing how 1 of those affects my child much more interested in that.
    Yes but my point was that if it weren't for the stigma, there would be no need for a 'cure'. It's not inherently harmful. This is what you ignore when calling it a disorder.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    There are many reasons why I don't choose homosexuality. I described my fear of social consequences and my fear of an identity crisis (also a social consequence) in an earlier post. I know, I know. You would say that I MUST be a bisexual or maybe a closet homosexual, living as a heterosexual. I would agree with the former, because as I said before, I *believe* we can change orientation/attraction... and that makes us bisexuals.
    Projecting your own 'sexual fluidity' onto everyone else, at best. I can assure you that not everyone is like this.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Projecting your own 'sexual fluidity' onto everyone else, at best. I can assure you that not everyone is like this.
    I know that you and many others believe that.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    No I don't think its a choice. I think its a mental disease and should be treated as such.
    And you, obviously know nothing about this issue.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    I think its a disorder you are born with...dunno if it can be fixed or not. Just like my son was born with high functioning autism aka Aspergers he had no choice in that...just born that way and yet its a mental disorder and hopefully we can help him. Same goes for homosexuality.
    It has been proven to not be a mental disorder. So, you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    According to the current class of doctors/mental health folks no...before the 70's yes it was considered so but a huge influx of liberals into the fields changed it. Aspergers used to be considered a condition in and of its self now its considered high functioning autism,all because they decided to change it like snapping their fingers...to easy to change things.
    No, it was declassified as a mental disorder because actual, appropriate research was done and examined. Please get your facts straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yes but my point was that if it weren't for the stigma, there would be no need for a 'cure'. It's not inherently harmful. This is what you ignore when calling it a disorder.
    It is harmful when these militant activist homosexuals want to push their agenda in schools and politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And you, obviously know nothing about this issue.
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    It has been proven to not be a mental disorder. So, you are wrong.
    Again opinion
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, it was declassified as a mental disorder because actual, appropriate research was done and examined. Please get your facts straight.
    I am correct because it is a mental disorder...shall we examine what else happened around the time homosexuality was supposedly eliminated from being a mental disorder...Lets look at the names of the people involved in doing this...their politics as well...militant communists,jews and liberals.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Transgender no longer a mental ‘disorder’ in diagnostic manual | WPMT FOX43

    Now they are doing it for transgenderism. The man that pushed for it is jewish.

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