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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    What I am asking is this: If you see a woman that you find incredibly unattractive right now in this moment, can you choose to be attracted to her? You say yes, it seems. Really, how?
    Concentration. Making the conscious effort to ignore my previous ideas about how-a-woman-should-look. Not so that I am attracted to HER (this ugly girl) specifically. Rather, re-writing the "rules" I follow regarding attraction in general. For example, I can consciously decide that acne and an asymmetrical face are OK. Those are just value-based judgments anyway. Values can change. Then, seeing this chic as not-ugly will be easier. Do you agree thus far?

    The only limitations that I can think of, are the will/desire and mental power to pull off such a stunt. But given the accomplishments of the human race to date, I think it is possible. How about you?

    I want to suggest to those that think that orientation/attraction is unchangeable, possibly only think so b/c they have not considered the power of concentration and the ease with replacing one value-based judgment with another.

    (When I say concentration, I don't mean an image of a buddhist monk trekking to a mountain and making an ice-cold towel on his bareback so hot that it releases steam. Have you seen that discovery channel special? No. I mean just sitting in your recliner and casually thinking about the "other gender" in such a way that it is arousing. Not giving up too soon. If the will to do so is not there, it won't happen. But that doesn't mean its impossible. If the will is there, but it doesn't happen, why can't the reason be something other than: Well it must just be impossible. ?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That's call bisexual, and you can't chose to be bisexual either. Sexuality is not chosen, and there is zero reason to believe it is.
    Lakryte, are you still saying that anyone who claims to be able to change orientation must be a bisexual? Circular logic.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The strongest argument is that homosexuality is very common in the animal kingdom. Animals are much more driven by instinct and less by rational decision making.

    This suggests they likely are just following their instincts and basic urgers, not making a decision to be different.
    I do not think it is wise to use animals to prove something about humans. I agree that humans are animals too and have a multitude of similarities with different animals. Still, saying that something about humans must be true because the animals do it too just doesn't sound like an infallible argument. I'm not saying you are wrong.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Lakryte, are you still saying that anyone who claims to be able to change orientation must be a bisexual? Circular logic.
    You aren't changing your orientation. Either you were experimenting with the opposite or same sex, or you are bisexual. I don't think you can change your orientation.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You are doing a very poor job of making that point because you know why you didn't like black people or the basement. Fears are simple to understand, fear sevres a purpose.

    Sexual orientation isn't a preference that is why you are having difficulty explaining. Nothing In or psyche compares to it.
    Not all fears are known. Not all are understood. I don't think all fears are simple to understand, for everyone.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

    Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

    Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
    The fact is no one knows for sure.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You aren't changing your orientation. Either you were experimenting with the opposite or same sex, or you are bisexual. I don't think you can change your orientation.
    That's the focal point of our disagreement. I think it can change. You think it can't. If there was conclusive evidence either way, one or both of us would have stopped debating this after only a few posts (depending on how fast the conclusive evidence was brought into the thread.)

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The fact is no one knows for sure.
    Seems like a lot of gay people know for sure

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    That's the focal point of our disagreement. I think it can change. You think it can't. If there was conclusive evidence either way, one or both of us would have stopped debating this after only a few posts (depending on how fast the conclusive evidence was brought into the thread.)
    The fact that gays can change says they are not born that way...Black and Hispanics can't change..Gays can.
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