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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Additionally, I would argue that the current obsession with homosexuality is nothing short of ludicrous.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    I don't believe that someone could like gay sex without being attracted to men. At the least, someone would find sex with men pleasurable and seek men out to achieve that pleasure. Is that not attraction? I don't have any studies that support the idea that homosexuality is a choice. I do have studies that say that the cause of orientation is not definitively known. I'm arguing what I believe, as I said before. If the APA ever says that homosexuality is not a choice, that will go a long way towards persuading me. I favor the APA because it presents an aggregate view, as opposed to a study here or a study there. Still, individual studies do indeed represent a small sliver of reality, provided they are valid and replicated.

    If homosexuality is not a choice, then no one has ever made the choice to be homosexual. -That's hard to prove, in my opinion.

    Here's what i have:
    American Psychological Association. (2008). Answers to your questions: For a better
    understanding of sexual orientation and homosexuality. Retrieved from
    http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientation.pdf

    Frankowski, B. L. (2004). Sexual orientation and adolescents. Pediatrics, 113(6), 1827-1832.
    Retrieved from Sexual Orientation and Adolescents

    Johnson, R. D. (2003). Homosexuality: Nature or nurture. AllPsych Journal. Retrieved from
    Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal
    Who gives a ****? It doesn't matter why there are homosexuals, just that there are and they're human too. That's it, mind your own business.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who gives a ****? It doesn't matter why there are homosexuals, just that there are and they're human too. That's it, mind your own business.
    Face it, as humans, we need to know the why of everything. It's part of our collective nature.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sometimes I think it is, especially in young people. Being gay and/or bi-sexual has become the new Mohawk.
    Sometimes, sure, but not most of the time.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Face it, as humans, we need to know the why of everything. It's part of our collective nature.
    Why for important things like math or science or philosophy, not to make bigoted distinctions between other humans. I mean, I know we do it a lot, but we don't need to. There's no purpose to asking "why" in this case, human is human.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    , I am not here to teach
    and thank goodness for that.

    It would be like Lyle Lovett giving out beauty tips.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why for important things like math or science or philosophy, not to make bigoted distinctions between other humans. I mean, I know we do it a lot, but we don't need to. There's no purpose to asking "why" in this case, human is human.
    What is important is a matter of opinion and thus each person sees what's important differently as well as having different reasons as to why any given matter is important. Searching for the answer to something that seems trivial now may lead to an answer that is important in some other aspect of life. Silly Putty was discovered by an accident in the pursuit of something else. Now you may dismis that, but in the end it improved the lives of many, not in and of itself but in the fact that its production and demand produced many jobs directly and indirectly.

    For such as this topic, who knows what it might bring about in learning the many ways in which human or even animal sexual orientation is established. All knowledge can be used of both good and ill, so there is no such thing as useless or bad knowledge. Simply knowledge that is useless to a given purpose, or used in a wrong manner.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    What is important is a matter of opinion and thus each person sees what's important differently as well as having different reasons as to why any given matter is important. Searching for the answer to something that seems trivial now may lead to an answer that is important in some other aspect of life. Silly Putty was discovered by an accident in the pursuit of something else. Now you may dismis that, but in the end it improved the lives of many, not in and of itself but in the fact that its production and demand produced many jobs directly and indirectly.

    For such as this topic, who knows what it might bring about in learning the many ways in which human or even animal sexual orientation is established. All knowledge can be used of both good and ill, so there is no such thing as useless or bad knowledge. Simply knowledge that is useless to a given purpose, or used in a wrong manner.
    There is no functional application. Choice or biology, the outcome is the same. You cannot infringe upon the rights of others or prevent them contract along those lines. And it's likely not so easy and probably is an add mixture of environment, genes, and chemicals. The problem isn't knowledge for knowledge sake, but for the reason why this question is often asked in the first place. As excuse then to set up law and distinction between humans. In terms of society or government, it doesn't matter why one is homosexual, laws cannot properly speak to that nor can government intervention rightfully be used against free exercise of right because of it.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sometimes I think it is, especially in young people. Being gay and/or bi-sexual has become the new Mohawk.
    No it's not, not even by a long shot.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Let's look again at what you said:


    When you added that "but" in there you indicated that the subjected in the line, those what have no choice, are doing so by their choice. Did you possibly mean to write "...but others do so by their own choice."?
    Everyone may not have the choice in the sexual orientation, but its still the choice of the individual to accept it, even if they are powerless to change it. Its like being tall or short isnt a something that you can change you either make the choice to accept that reality or you refuse to accept it. That choice is up to the individual. Thats what I meant by adding at the end of the sentence this: but do so by their choice.



    I see no contradiction to the concept that there are 4 basic ways to be born sexual orientation wise: Heterosexual, Bi-sexual, Homosexual, and Asexual



    I agree with you that if indeed you are one of those who can change your orientation then fine by all means do so. But that doesn't mean that all can, any more than it means that none can choose. The issue is not in whether or not any given individual can choose, but in that those who would suppress homosexuality and bi-sexuality claim that all can choose and thus should not be allowed to choose.
    I never claimed that everyone could choose their sexual orientation (in fact also making it clear that those that can are a small minority), and have gone out of my way trying to make that clear. Im sorry that you missed that.


    This is a problem point with me as well. I find it so sad and ironic that there are those in the homosexual community cannot accept the very existence of the bi-sexual community. But do not paint the homosexual community with that broad brush. For if indeed they all felt that way there would not be a LBGT movement. Although for the life of me I still don't see how the T fits in with the LBG save that they face many similar problems.
    The LBGT movement isnt the representation of all alternative lifestyles. Depending the local membership LBGT groups marginalize other members.and their is infighting. Some lesbians get along great with gays but some cant stand gays at all and vice versa.

    Basically people are people and they behave like people. Some straights dont like gays but some do, some dont care one way or another. But right now it seems that most homosexuals wont accept anyone who claims that they can ,make their own decisions when it comes to their sexual orientation. And I dont think that is the right message because even the smallest minority matters.

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