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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have looked at a good number of studies on this topic that seem to prove the hypothesis you want. One statistic I saw that tends to make me think the no choice assumption might be right, is that the distribution of homosexuals (male) in different societies and cultures around the world is relativly constant.
    But to be honest, that is not a really strong argument.
    The strongest argument is that homosexuality is very common in the animal kingdom. Animals are much more driven by instinct and less by rational decision making.

    This suggests they likely are just following their instincts and basic urgers, not making a decision to be different.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    It is a choice but it doesn't seem so because it's a manifestation of a cultural mental imbalance in the individual so they will never see it as being the flawed perception it is, they will always try to justify it as biological.



    Such is why you see such heated posts by gays. Subconsciously they know it's a choice but they could never admit that or they'd essentially be confessing that it's actually simply the equivalent to a child playing pirate. It is possible to choose not to as evidenced by 'bisexual' people. At least that group admits it's a choice openly so.
    Actually, we see some of the most heated posts by anti-gays, people who vigorously state that homosexuality is a choice. Subconsciously they know it is not, but they could never admit that since they'd be essentially confessing that their bias has no rational basis and their stereotyping borders in bigotry.

    Notice. Your post is what happens when you don't consider both sides of a closed-minded argument. MY post demonstrates that neatly.

    I will say what I always say on this matter. Current research tends to demonstrate that all sexual orientation (homosexuality, bisexuality, AND heterosexuality) is caused by a combination of factors, including genetics, biology, biochemistry/hormones, and environmental factors.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

    Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

    Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
    All I can relate is my own personal experience.

    All my life I have been with women. However, there are times I find certain men to be very attractive. To the point where I could imagine myself being with them. However, I never feel quite motivated to do it beyond that simple "hrm, I wonder if ..." Then months may go by before I think about it again, all the while I see all sorts of very attractive women. So the ratio is probably 99>1 or something like that.

    So at least in my case, there is some curiosity and potential.

    How common that is? No idea. I understand that sort of thing is more common in women then in men.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    A bull that can't fetilize the cows because it is attracted to other bulls is defective, most people realize this
    As usual, your post indicates your inability to understand the definition between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. A bull who DOESN'T fertilize cows because it is attracted to other bulls is not defective since he still CAN fertilize the cows.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    not on private farms, it is a defect in bumans and animals, it has been proven over and over and has nothing to do with pc or opinion
    Actually, it has been proven over and over to not be a defect. In fact, I did it in ONE POST, in this thread.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Both are defects with genes, correct or not correct?
    Not correct.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The strongest argument is that homosexuality is very common in the animal kingdom. Animals are much more driven by instinct and less by rational decision making.

    This suggests they likely are just following their instincts and basic urgers, not making a decision to be different.
    There is that. Of course it is the same basic argument as the statistical constant. Both would seem to point to genetics.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    It is a choice but it doesn't seem so because it's a manifestation of a cultural mental imbalance in the individual so they will never see it as being the flawed perception it is, they will always try to justify it as biological.

    Such is why you see such heated posts by gays. Subconsciously they know it's a choice but they could never admit that or they'd essentially be confessing that it's actually simply the equivalent to a child playing pirate. It is possible to choose not to as evidenced by 'bisexual' people. At least that group admits it's a choice openly so.
    Flawed premise. Bi-sexual people are not choosing to be straight or gay. They have an orientation to both simultaneously. For them to choose a partner between a man and a woman is really no different from a straight male choosing between two women or a straight woman choosing between two men.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Nice opinion but I dont but that 100% of all homosexuals live that lifestyle against their choice. In case you missed it, I have been asserted that there exists a small percentage of people that can chose their sexual orientation. There exists that thing called fluid sexuality, where the person (usually biologically female) can jump back and forth between heterosexuality and homosexuality. Some though have no real choice and switch back and forth against their choice but do so by their choice. To ignore that these people exist is not very nice and doesnt make them feel to good about it either.
    From the context I wonder if you are confusing the issue with gender fluidity or just paralleling the concept to this. I've never heard of such in regards to sexual orientation, although admittedly, that is indeed what we are talking about. I am assuming that you are seperating this out from bi-sexuality insofar as bi-sexuals are attracted to both genders simultaneously, and sexual fluids, when they make their choice are "locked" towards the one until they change it again?

    The bolded line contradicts itself. If there is no choice then one can't choose, not even choosing not to choose. Could you possibly mean that it's not a conscious choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    They are merely culturally imbalanced organisms that through neo modern consumer cultures that lack any clear values these organisms became mentally and emotionally cultural imbalanced. Instead of following the biological coding of nature to biologically progress on the path to create another organism, these particular organisms became culturally confused through 'Bright Lights' (consumer culture). The story of the night bugs flying into the bug zapper. That is not their natural progression but they still became confused and flew into the zapper. The same is true of humans who label themselves gay, bisexual or whatever. Their signals in their upbringing somehow led them to choose destruction over progression. Nature doesn't spawn organisms with instincts to end their genetic lines. This is how you know it is a choice and not biological. Biology does not code a species to fly into the bug zapper. That is mere confusion.
    Distinguish destruction vs progression please. If by "progression", you mean "reproduction" then tie that in with a comparison of homosexuals vs heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce. Then please follow that up with the comparison of those bi- and homosexuals who do choose to reproduce. And just to cover the bases, show where asexuals fall on your destruction/progression idea.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As usual, your post indicates your inability to understand the definition between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. A bull who DOESN'T fertilize cows because it is attracted to other bulls is not defective since he still CAN fertilize the cows.
    SInce he doesn't he becomes a loser, which might explain homosexuality in people. Are they society's losers?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    SInce he doesn't he becomes a loser, which might explain homosexuality in people. Are they society's losers?
    based on what fact?
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