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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Actually, this bold part too.
    Okay, then I see your point. I was addressing a larger issue of being more tolerant of one another in general, in a broader sense. I was putting sexual orientation into the same basket of tolerance regardless of whether it is a choice or not. I will clarify. I do not think sexual orientation is a choice but I don't really think it matters. I don't care what wallpaper you chose or if you chose to be a vegan so why should I care about whom you chose to bed with? I will refer my earlier point, the only way in which homosexuality complicates someones life is the judgment of others. I see us collectively, benefiting more by accepting people and allowing them to be who they are rather than trying to force everyone into the same narrow mold.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Okay, then I see your point. I was addressing a larger issue of being more tolerant of one another in general, in a broader sense. I was putting sexual orientation into the same basket of tolerance regardless of whether it is a choice or not. I will clarify. I do not think sexual orientation is a choice but I don't really think it matters. I don't care what wallpaper you chose or if you chose to be a vegan so why should I care about whom you chose to bed with? I will refer my earlier point, the only way in which homosexuality complicates someones life is the judgment of others. I see us collectively, benefiting more by accepting people and allowing them to be who they are rather than trying to force everyone into the same narrow mold.
    I don't see that happening any time soon.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't see that happening any time soon.
    That's unfortunate

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That's unfortunate
    Well, all you have to do is read some of the posts and threads and watch the news. It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who are just not ready to accept.

    Personally, I don't care what kind of sex people have. I don't really understand it, but I don't have anything against homosexuals.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, all you have to do is read some of the posts and threads and watch the news. It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who are just not ready to accept.

    Personally, I don't care what kind of sex people have. I don't really understand it, but I don't have anything against homosexuals.
    I don't disagree with you, social evolution moves a glacial pace. But it is unfortunate.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What does that have to do with "collecting" sperm from a bull? Now you're talking about milking cows?
    Hi ChrisL

    Milking and collecting sperm from bulls.

    I live on the left coast that has a large population of gays and lesbians.
    Over the decades I've had many gay friends and gay business associates. All know how I felt about homosexuality and that I was a heterosexual and straight as a barrel on a M-14 rifle. They respected me, my believes and rights and never would perform sodomy acts or even kiss someone in my presence. They would go out partying with me and my other straight friends. They were NFL fans and would even go to the nudie bars with us. In my opinion, most gays are no different than straight heterosexuals except for some reason they think a man can give better head than a woman or they have a thing for bung holes.

    One question never asked and answered, are gays offended as much as heterosexuals when they see heterosexual oral sex being performed in front of them as straight males and females or when they see sex sodomy being performed in their presence ?
    Still an unanswered question never answered about homosexuality.

    Back to the collecting of bull sperm. I only know a few lesbians. But what I can't figure out is why so many hot looking lesbians that I never knew would approach me offering thousands of dollars for my sperm and rejected receiving it in the normal way ???

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hi ChrisL

    Milking and collecting sperm from bulls.

    I live on the left coast that has a large population of gays and lesbians.
    Over the decades I've had many gay friends and gay business associates. All know how I felt about homosexuality and that I was a heterosexual and straight as a barrel on a M-14 rifle. They respected me, my believes and rights and never would perform sodomy acts or even kiss someone in my presence. They would go out partying with me and my other straight friends. They were NFL fans and would even go to the nudie bars with us. In my opinion, most gays are no different than straight heterosexuals except for some reason they think a man can give better head than a woman or they have a thing for bung holes.

    One question never asked and answered, are gays offended as much as heterosexuals when they see heterosexual oral sex being performed in front of them as straight males and females or when they see sex sodomy being performed in their presence ?
    Still an unanswered question never answered about homosexuality.

    Back to the collecting of bull sperm. I only know a few lesbians. But what I can't figure out is why so many hot looking lesbians that I never knew would approach me offering thousands of dollars for my sperm and rejected receiving it in the normal way ???
    That was pretty funny. I don't have any idea as to the answer to your questions.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hi ChrisL

    Milking and collecting sperm from bulls.

    I live on the left coast that has a large population of gays and lesbians.
    Over the decades I've had many gay friends and gay business associates. All know how I felt about homosexuality and that I was a heterosexual and straight as a barrel on a M-14 rifle. They respected me, my believes and rights and never would perform sodomy acts or even kiss someone in my presence. They would go out partying with me and my other straight friends. They were NFL fans and would even go to the nudie bars with us. In my opinion, most gays are no different than straight heterosexuals except for some reason they think a man can give better head than a woman or they have a thing for bung holes.

    One question never asked and answered, are gays offended as much as heterosexuals when they see heterosexual oral sex being performed in front of them as straight males and females or when they see sex sodomy being performed in their presence ?
    Still an unanswered question never answered about homosexuality.

    Back to the collecting of bull sperm. I only know a few lesbians. But what I can't figure out is why so many hot looking lesbians that I never knew would approach me offering thousands of dollars for my sperm and rejected receiving it in the normal way ???
    They want your genetics, not your genitals.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You were the one that responded to me: "Did you try out sex with each?"

    As the quote says you asked if I had tried sex with males and females first before I made my decision. You seem to be the one trying wiggle your way out of being shown to be wrong by denying what you actually said. ANd so that I wouldnt get it wrong you said this: "No, dogs can't consent. But when I shop for cars, I try them out. Kick the tires. I didn't marry the first female I won't out with. I checked more than a few out. You can't really choose if you don't."

    Right there you claimed that no one could choose without trying it out first. Then you started being snarky: "Try to grasp the concept."

    I asked you for clarity and you gave me this: "You must be able to realistically consider sex with both sexes as a possibility. Kissing someone of the same sex must be seen as enjoyable, just as enjoyable as with the opposite sex. Just as we pet and neck with one sex growing up, to be a choice, we must do the same with the other. Otherwise, the choice is not a choice. Something else is dictating what we do."

    You want a mechanism but refused to offer one yourself.

    Then you went on to say this: "As I have said, choice lies in the ability to do both. Only those who can realistically consider both have choice." Where you back pedaled slightly. Now you dont require actually trying something in order to make a choice but just consider the concept.

    Then you tell me that we are not talking about individuals. But dude that was indeed what I was talking about and said so several times. I can help it if you dont want to talk about the same thing that i was talking about before you responded to me. that would make you the one that leaped in without knowing what we were talking about.


    So again I give you this link: The American Psychological Association: Sexual orientation and homosexuality


    I tend to listen to people in the field of study instead of some guy on the internet (that would be you). The link above takes you to a short question and answer page about Sexual orientation and homosexuality. You claimed to have read the link and that there wasnt anything on it that you havenet heard before. But you didnt dispute any of it either. (you just made another snarky irrelevant remark again meh) SO I had to assume that the information that I provided was not disagreeable to you. But obviously you didnt even bother to read or understand the content of that link. In it they clearly leave room for a small percentage of people being able to make a choice about their sexuality. That small percentage (or what you referred to as individuals) is the exact same claim that I made that you responded to and called nonsense and started out exchange.

    Now you are trying to act as if I have no clue, but it is you that has no clue and was shown to be wrong.

    Read this: Sexual Orientation | Psychology Today

    What is Sexual Orientation?
    Sexual Orientation is a term used to describe our patterns of emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction—and our sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions. Recent research suggests that a person's sexual orientation is not a black or white matter; sexual orientation exists along a continuum, with exclusive attraction to the opposite sex on one pole and exclusive attraction to the same sex on the other.

    Heterosexuality (attraction to members of the opposite sex), homosexuality (attraction to members of the same sex), and bisexuality (attraction to members of either sex) are the three most commonly discussed categories of sexual orientation.

    Few issues are as hotly contested as what determines a person's sexual orientation. While most scientists agree that nature and nurture both play complex roles, the determinants of sexual orientation are still poorly understood. Current reseach into its underpinnings frequently focuses on the role of genes, environment, brain structure, and hormones.

    Nothing there disputes me. Nor is it anything I haven't read. It's clear you're so over worked you really don't know what my argument is. Go back and re read.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Refer to #562.
    I did. You were talking about not engaging in homosexual acts. You are right--that is a choice. I am talking about who you are attracted to. Choose to be attracted to men. Or even better--if you are worried about becoming gay, find the most unattractive woman you can think of and choose to be attracted to her.
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