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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.
    er.... unequivocally yes.


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    Some individuals demonstrate rock-solid homosexual activity under even the most punative of environments. Where there are strong incentives against engaging in homosexual behavior, we can be sure that the behavior itself is unlikely to be motivated by exogenous factors. Ergo, there likely is a genetic precondition that does indeed steer towards homosexual attraction. But genetics are not the end of the story, either, for we can see that homosexual expression alters as a portion of the populace dependent upon allowance or encouragement (when incentives are neutral or encouraging), indicating that exogenous factors can have an effect on marginal cases, which appears to include a not-insignificant portion of the homo and bi sexual population.


    People are born with a range of sexual possibilities. Within that range, our experiences and our choices do indeed shape where we will end up.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Speak for yourself. I Know plenty about myself.
    I can't really make much of this statement. Having preferences doesn't mean that orientation is chosen. So if I am acted on by messages and people" what ever the hell that means, that is my choice?

    No I am sorry but this statement is absurd. Being acted upon is not a choice. Having preferences, not so sure that is a choice either.

    No, we don't. Again speak for yourself.
    So again how is being influenced a choice?

    Therefore, it is possible that we construct and maintain and identity for ourselves, and a logical, fact-based rational for that construct, that suits all those influences to our own satisfaction.

    You are referring to a label. Of course we choose those, I am not speaking of the labels of sexuality but the thing that the label represents.

    How do we choose what influences us, the way we achieve satisfaction aside? Influence suggests that there is an outside force involved. So if there is something external to us guiding our decisions than is that really a choice?

    I finally get what you are saying but the reaction to stimuli in the world at large is the reaction. I don't think the reaction is caused by what we wish it to be. I personally believe the reaction is involuntary based on human behavior in general. Reactions to stimuli are typically the sourceof much of our fear, struggles health problems instabilities to communicate and so on basically the things we make efforts to change. But you never really change it, you simply learn to compensate. I call these reactions instincts. I very much believe homosexuality is an instinct, you can't change it you certainly can compensate but why?
    I think you are denying the possibility that the identity you have constructed for yourself, -not just your orientation, now, but rather your entire identity- is partly influenced by factors beyond your conscious awareness.

    I think i have jumped tracks of thought without you.

    When I said, "we have preferences", I wasn't referring to sexual orientation preferences. I was speaking more broadly, regarding all the preferences we have. -The preferences that make us contemplate a new idea for a few moments, or dismiss it immediately, for example.

    To dismiss or contemplate the idea is a choice. But that choice is influenced by our preferences, perhaps without our knowledge. For example, (and in this example i will use a situation that is relevant to the specific discussion on orientation) "We are all bisexual, he says. But I am not going to contemplate that idea (<--- there is the choice) because I know that I am not bisexual (<--- there is the identity you have constructed for yourself because you are comfortable with it, you have turned it around in your mind, it makes sense, it even seems logical. It is your "preference.")

    That preference influences your choice to be open to my idea. I believe that this phenomena happens in all of us. And I believe that the scarier, or more threatening that a new idea is, the more adamantly people will oppose it if it is against the identity they have constructed for themselves.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Is Homosexuality A Choice?
    Yes and no.
    The proclivities one may have for sexual attraction towards the same or opposite gender can not be chosen ... but one can choose to ignore or embrace those proclivities.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No I'm not.

    People are different do to many factors. John, for example, is simply not attracted to females. There's no choice. He just isn't attracted to them. Never was and never will be. Sue, for example, could never really be attracted to females either. She just isn't built that way. Again no choice.

    My problem s with those of you who insist it s choice, but demonstrate no mechanism for making this supposed choice. Instead, you show people who never once considered any alternative other than the one they always were attracted to. It's like you don't understand the nature of choosing. If I cannot consider any alternative, there is no choice at all.
    Again I am only asserting that SOME people have a choice not everyone. And who are you to deny someone else their choice?

    Here is the problem that you are ignoring: Tom feels that he has no choice that he was born straight. But Tom in the last few years started feeling that he really isnt straight. According to the born only assertion for sexual orientation Tom has been restricted by your argument to feel as if he cant decide now whether he is different than he used to be. This may lead Tom to feel shameful about his feelings and by how the same sex makes him feel.


    You mentioned a mechanism, so why dont you show me the mechanism that would make it impossible to decide to be gay or not. What stops a person who has been gay or straight to all the sudden or even over time that they are now opposite.


    I am straight Im not bi or want to be gay, but I see no reason why I couldnt change my mind. Do you say that it is impossible for me to change my mind? Why would it be impossible?

    You cant know how every human being thinks, you cant with any certainty claim an absolute knowledge that someone cant one day just decide that they are gay or not gay. And all the studies in the world could not deny the possibility that people change their sexual orientation.

    For you to argue against my premise that sexuality can be a choice for some people would mean that science knows everything about the human mind. We know a lot but sexuality isnt a subject that we know everything there is to know about it. Since I know more than one person that claims that they can make a choice (myself included) about their sexuality gives me the opinion that your claim isnt substantiated. Until we learn something definite on the matter my opinion is as good as yours.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Except it isn't a choice in my case, and many other cases.
    True which I have acknowledged several times now.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
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    and we don't even know it. In my opinion, we are so adamant in our views, and refuse to open up to new ideas because deep down, we are so afraid that the idea will shake the identity we have constructed and maintained for ourselves. That a new idea may challenge the "truth" about who we think we are. And that is terrifying to us. It is the fear of the unknown. "You mean I really don't know myself? After all these years? How can that be? BAH! it's impossible! It's absurd!"
    squid you really need to speak for your self. I opened up that new idea, i dated a woman for three damn years, i tried to make it work. I have seen for myself that the truth was there all along. I identified for 8 years as a bisexual man, I tried to be, I didn't just talk, I walked the walk. The new idea was that I was gay, not bisexual. So don't tell me about fear, don't tell me that I am not open to that idea, you think you are the first person to ever come up with it.

    My entire world was turned upside down my psyche was hammered with depression euphoria exasperation and then finally profound bewilderment. All my dreams died, everything in my life was chaos. Then I let go of it, instantly i felt peace met the love of my life and simply adjusted to the fact that I did not know myself before now I do, I dreamt dreams better than the old ones found my passion discovered my nature and realized how little I know.

    If you just went through that Epiphany I am glad for you. But i don't simply talk about it. My construct was actually challenged. My identity was turned inside out and stood on it's head.

    Your crap is a regression for me. Going backward is fatal. I discovered my true self on the brink of the abyss. I was there at the end moments from a miserable death I abandoned my notions of reality, I let go of everything, my opinions my likes and dislikes my reality. I had to it was killing me i was mere seconds away from a self inflected death.

    Blinding emotional pain has a tendency to rewrite reality. So save your breath I came to a different conclusion, that's all. Your way is dead wrong I said it a thousand times if i said it once it nearly cost me everything. But if that works for you than go on. Don't sit here and attempt to tell me how outis not when i lived it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    True which I have acknowledged several times now.
    In the post i responded to it seemed as though you were saying the opposite.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    ok so he is bi
    next...

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    The list of what Christianity has been right about grows shorter by the day.
    To be fair, though the Bible does state homosexuality is a sin, it never stated that homosexuality was a choice. That is propaganda pushed by the Evangelical Right.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Can you choose to be attracted to a woman who you find incredibly unattractive?
    Why not? I do think for myself I am not a slave to instincts. I am attracted to brunets yet I married a blonde. Something about blonde hair just makes me say meh. But my wife has slowly changed my mind. And now her hair is turning grey, which isnt a turn on. But I find my wife very attractive and it has nothing to do with her sex or her looks. If she unfortunately was ina accident with acid or fire and was burned until she looked like a hideous monster nothing would change I would still be attracted to her in the same way that I am now.

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