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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

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    Why didn't it alter orientation? What is it about orientation that can't be altered? I'm question your underlying assumptions about orientation. I know there is an APA definition of orientation. I also know there are interpretations of orientation. I believe our interpretations are frequently self-serving. We turn ideas around in our mind until we find a version we are comfortable with. I know I do. That's why I try, seriously now, to use phrases like "I believe such in such."
    It didn't change the orientation because the orientation was constantly bisexual. I don't believe it is possible to alter the orientation. It isn't necessary for a person with the orientation of bisexual to alter it to switch between men and women. Bisexual means that the person is sexually oriented to both. That never changed. Since our species sex is binary a bisexual is all of the above.


    Opinion.
    Its a fact I will prove it below.



    I said I believe everybody is bisexual. I said I believe we all are bisexual. After saying it once, I may have omitted it from any following statements to you. And that may be the reason why you think I am trying to state my beliefs as fact. Sorry. I will try harder to always include phrases like "in my opinion such-in-such, i believe such-in-such.
    Your belief is absurd because it is proven wrong. You believe everyday is bisexual, i am not. If i believed i was a purple flying elephant would I be right?

    You can put any prefix in front of an absurd statement out doesn't make it less absurd.

    But you also have another way around this, you believe that someone doesn't know their sexuality as well as you do. This is far more absurd than believing in purple flying elephants. You believe you are omnipotent this is more than absurd it's delusional. To believe your labels for people are more correct than the orientation of others, that borders on narcissistic psychosis.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    It didn't change the orientation because the orientation was constantly bisexual. I don't believe it is possible to alter the orientation. It isn't necessary for a person with the orientation of bisexual to alter it to switch between men and women. Bisexual means that the person is sexually oriented to both. That never changed. Since our species sex is binary a bisexual is all of the above.



    Its a fact I will prove it below.





    Your belief is absurd because it is proven wrong. You believe everyday is bisexual, i am not. If i believed i was a purple flying elephant would I be right?

    You can put any prefix in front of an absurd statement out doesn't make it less absurd.

    But you also have another way around this, you believe that someone doesn't know their sexuality as well as you do. This is far more absurd than believing in purple flying elephants. You believe you are omnipotent this is more than absurd it's delusional. To believe your labels for people are more correct than the orientation of others, that borders on narcissistic psychosis.
    It's just my belief. Does it really make you think I'm suffering narcissistic psychosis? does that mean you are omnipotent and know my mental state better than I do? of course not. that is just your belief. I don't get bent out of shape over it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    There you go, your true position has been evident all along.

    So tell me if there ever was a 'push back' from the 98% of the population what would it look like?
    and what's this adoption thingie of which you speak? I thought raising children was a 'breeder thing'
    and honestly you've lost me what 'bizarre superstition' are you referring too?
    There isn't 98% that will push back, most heterosexual people don't worry with my relationship. This is a lunatic fringe thing maybe 10% would be pushing back. You are crying to me, "waa waa waa please stop gaining equality I don't like it!" No you won't push back you will be forced into the woods and mocked for your stillness.

    Gay people raise children, you thought wrong.

    Your bizarre superstition is the notion that proximity to homosexuals will make you homosexual or that homosexuals will somehow endanger youth. What other reason would you have for excluding them from boy scouts.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    It's just my belief. Does it really make you think I'm suffering narcissistic psychosis? does that mean you are omnipotent and know my mental state better than I do? of course not. that is just your belief. I don't get bent out of shape over it.
    You believe things that are proven untrue. It's hard to not think there is something wrong. If you told me you believed that you were a horse it would be the same.

    I am not bent out of shape i am stating the facts. You seem to perceivethat I am angry when I state reality. I am sorry if reality offends you.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You believe things that are proven untrue. It's hard to not think there is something wrong. If you told me you believed that you were a horse it would be the same.

    I am not bent out of shape i am stating the facts. You seem to perceivethat I am angry when I state reality. I am sorry if reality offends you.
    It's not proven untrue. The APA states that the cause of orientation is unknown. Therefore, it could be a result of choice? no?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    It's not proven untrue. The APA states that the cause of orientation is unknown. Therefore, it could be a result of choice? no?
    Okay, but that doesn't mean we are all bisexual.

    I know it isn't a choice through experience.

    Your belief that all people are bisexual is untrue because I am not.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Okay, but that doesn't mean we are all bisexual.

    I know it isn't a choice through experience.

    Your belief that all people are bisexual is untrue because I am not.
    As far as you know. I'm suggesting that we don't really know anything. Not even about ourselves. Why? Because we have preferences. Because we are acted on by messages and people in our environment. Bec we notice what others like and dislike and we let that influence us. Therefore, it is possible that we construct and maintain and identity for ourselves, and a logical, fact-based rational for that construct, that suits all those influences to our own satisfaction.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    "stop gaining equality I don't like it"
    well there you go
    homosexuality is not equal to normal sexuality
    apples are not oranges nor even kumquats!
    Nothing you will ever say or do or have legislated will make it so.
    I'm not concerned about bisexuality, bestiality, pedophilia or any other aberrant behavior.
    My issue is with the government making laws in regard to it.
    What of the rights of the parents who'd rather not have 'a lifestyle choice' foisted upon their children?
    What of the rights of employers to hire people they choose to hire?
    By what divine right should your 'choices' be rammed down the throats of the other 98% of the population?
    That's the crux of the issue you are being used as a political pawn by a government whose only goal is to coerce the population into doing things that they normally wouldn't.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    As far as you know. I'm suggesting that we don't really know anything. Not even about ourselves. Why? Because we have preferences. Because we are acted on by messages and people in our environment. Bec we notice what others like and dislike and we let that influence us. Therefore, it is possible that we construct and maintain and identity for ourselves, and a logical, fact-based rational for that construct, that suits all those influences to our own satisfaction.
    and we don't even know it. In my opinion, we are so adamant in our views, and refuse to open up to new ideas because deep down, we are so afraid that the idea will shake the identity we have constructed and maintained for ourselves. That a new idea may challenge the "truth" about who we think we are. And that is terrifying to us. It is the fear of the unknown. "You mean I really don't know myself? After all these years? How can that be? BAH! it's impossible! It's absurd!"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    As far as you know. I'm suggesting that we don't really know anything. Not even about ourselves. Why?
    Speak for yourself. I Know plenty about myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Because we have preferences. Because we are acted on by messages and people in our environment.
    I can't really make much of this statement. Having preferences doesn't mean that orientation is chosen. So if I am acted on by messages and people" what ever the hell that means, that is my choice?

    No I am sorry but this statement is absurd. Being acted upon is not a choice. Having preferences, not so sure that is a choice either.

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Bec we notice what others like and dislike and we let that influence us.
    No, we don't. Again speak for yourself.
    So again how is being influenced a choice?

    Therefore, it is possible that we construct and maintain and identity for ourselves, and a logical, fact-based rational for that construct, that suits all those influences to our own satisfaction.
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    You are referring to a label. Of course we choose those, I am not speaking of the labels of sexuality but the thing that the label represents.

    How do we choose what influences us, the way we achieve satisfaction aside? Influence suggests that there is an outside force involved. So if there is something external to us guiding our decisions than is that really a choice?

    I finally get what you are saying but the reaction to stimuli in the world at large is the reaction. I don't think the reaction is caused by what we wish it to be. I personally believe the reaction is involuntary based on human behavior in general. Reactions to stimuli are typically the sourceof much of our fear, struggles health problems instabilities to communicate and so on basically the things we make efforts to change. But you never really change it, you simply learn to compensate. I call these reactions instincts. I very much believe homosexuality is an instinct, you can't change it you certainly can compensate but why?

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