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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Of course but the argument that the government must accommodate you if you can't help what you are attracted to is blown by the fact we all agree it doesn't in the case of bestiality, incest, etc.
    Maybe I should be clearer. I used race as an example. You can't change that or make yourself any different race wise (unless you are Michael Jackson!) and the law must recognize this. In the case of 2 consenting adults the state must recognize this as legitimate or all our laws are just a joke and equal protection under the law is nothing but lip service. We had laws that did not allow people of different races to marry and people used the same lame unconstitutional argument to support it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Maybe I should be clearer. I used race as an example. You can't change that or make yourself any different race wise (unless you are Michael Jackson!) and the law must recognize this. In the case of 2 consenting adults the state must recognize this as legitimate or all our laws are just a joke and equal protection under the law is nothing but lip service. We had laws that did not allow people of different races to marry and people used the same lame unconstitutional argument to support it.
    There is nothing unconstitutional about the argument that a state sanctioned institution like marriage must be defined by the state that creates it. The state created it for a reason and I e yet to hear a good explanation for why the state isn't the right authority on that reason and also on what sort of relationships it finds suita le for that institution. This whole argument t isn't about individual equality. It is an attempt to apply equal rights to relationships with the claim that homosexual and heterosexual RELATIONSHIPS are equal. Most states don't feel they are.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    [QUOTE=Nightrider;1061978902]Don't ask me - I don't troll here that often.... [/QUOTE

    Never accused you of trolling, I'm just bored of the subject.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    There is nothing unconstitutional about the argument that a state sanctioned institution like marriage must be defined by the state that creates it. The state created it for a reason and I e yet to hear a good explanation for why the state isn't the right authority on that reason and also on what sort of relationships it finds suita le for that institution. This whole argument t isn't about individual equality. It is an attempt to apply equal rights to relationships with the claim that homosexual and heterosexual RELATIONSHIPS are equal. Most states don't feel they are.
    They said the same thing about blacks in the 50's. Well fortunately the SCOTUS does not agree and that inequality is over.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    They said the same thing about blacks in the 50's. Well fortunately the SCOTUS does not agree and that inequality is over.
    When you wake up tomorrow and find out that there is STILL no such thing as homosexual marriage in most states, don't be too shocked. It's just reality doing what reality does; being real.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    Don't ask me - I don't troll here that often.... [/QUOTE

    Never accused you of trolling, I'm just bored of the subject.
    Really don't blame you for being bored. Know what? I am as well (kind of started this thread out of boredom and now I'm even more bored....)....

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a natural, adaptive biological trait, from all that we know at this point.

    (Acting - or not - on your (most natural) urges - that is a choice. We are not animals. If, for example, I were still a Catholic, and I were a homosexual - I would have to stay celibate).

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think for some people it is.
    If you think of it as spectrum, much like people are not eithe 3 foot or 7 foot tall, then yes. It would stand to reason some coud choose. Think back to when you were 16. I remember have a very physical reaction to a young home EC teacher. What if I had that same reaction with the football coach? Or something equivalent. Or both? At som point we all come to understand what our bodies are saying. Not sure that's choice though.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    If it wasn't a choice, I wouldn't have had much success in the past in getting some ex-girlfriends into some threesomes.

    Ah, the good ol' days...

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Since I am not homosexual, I can't speak from personal experience. However, I know that I didn't choose to be attracted to men; I just was attracted to men, and only men.

    For me, it stands to reason that people cannot choose who they are attracted to, and who they are not attracted to. Since my early 20's, I have known and worked with probably 100+ gay and lesbian friends and coworkers who were openly gay, even in the olden days when it was not particularly safe and definitely not cool to be openly homosexual. Not one of them ever woke up one day and said to themselves, "I think I'll trying being homosexual now." They just... were, and they'd always known it, even if they had tried to ignore it or pretend it didn't exist in order to be "normal".

    Dammit, nobody should ever have to pretend to be someone they aren't in order to be "normal", because who they are IS NORMAL for them. It's who they are.

    I'm glad I lived long enough to see the last vestiges of legal institutionalized bigotry begin to crumble, and see a future where real, true equality will be applied to everyone.

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