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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    We are missing each other. To you, it is Either-Or. It is clearly defined. This or that. Hetero or not.

    I believe that we all are bisexual. we only choose to live a certain way for a certain time (even if that time is our whole lifespan, it is still changeable, temporary, not absolute etc). Therefore, as a result of my belief, I do not feel like i am lying to myself. I feel, instead, that i have made a choice. I am bisexual. AND (not but) for all my years, I have lived as a heterosexual. I may live as a heterosexual until i die. but i have always been a bisexual. b/c the choice is available.

    i wish i could express it better. I simply challenge the common way of classifying orientation as being one or the other, permanently. if you take away that classification system, then the pressure of coming out should be diminished. And if the whole world accepts a new classification system, the pressure/fear will imo, disappear.
    No, what you are describing is the ability to engage in certain behavior. But participating in certain behaviors doesn't make one's orientation. Orientation is in the mind, it is who you are attracted too, yet anyone can have sex with someone of the opposite, or same sex, regardless of actual attraction. If a heterosexual has sex with a member of the same sex, that doesn't make them bisexual, or homosexual, it makes them someone who's engaged in homosexual activity.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    I never said all erections were voluntary. i agree they are not.

    of course i am bisexual. I can choose to have a homo or hetero orientation for as long as I want, as many times as i want in my lifetime. I don't make this choice. But I believe i can. What would stop me? being bisexual is what allows me to choose.
    So you didn't chose to be bisexual than, same thing just a different orientation. You obviously can go from one to the other, you ate lucky, i can't, i tried.
    I believe we are all bisexual. I believe that within that common denominator, people vary. I believe they choose to live as bisexuals, or they choose to live as homo- or heterosexuals all their lives, or switch once, or switch many times.
    first off there are no denominators in sexuality, that is fractions. Now if you are using fractions as a metaphor fir something what is this common thing. (sorry, that common denominator thing is one of my pet peeves) I don't agree with you some people are not at all interested in one of the sexes. I believe bisexuals have that choice but we are not all bisexual.some of us are very much hereto and homo by instinct. So from a bisexual man's perspective i can accept your thought but you are not at all correct when you say we are all bi.

    I think the common concepts of "orientation" and temporary-ness and permanence as related to orientation, are limiting. I think categories are mutually exclusive when they don't have to be. Dichotomous, binary thinking is so easy. Why have multiple alternative explanations when my brain can only grasp two opposing ones? Easy right? It's a crutch.
    I wish I could be like you and not have the limits that come with monosexuality but i am not bisexual, you are. That would have been great to have been able to make love with women like I do with Evan, but we are all not bisexual.

    Of course everything i'm saying is a major exception. If my ideas marched in perfect step with what the majority believed, I'd be like you... telling people they are wrong. heh. I only state what i believe. If it were common knowledge, i wouldn't need to express it.
    You are the one the one telling everybody they are wrong. You just told me i am bisexual, no i am not, i know meter than you about my sexuality.

    Your opinions are your own, i think this is how your sexuality is, but you don't know mine, your statements are from your experience, I know you want to think everybody has your sexuality but we don't. There is a spectrum.

    You suggested that it was circumstances that made me gay, you never elaborated on that "theory." Do so now, what circumstances?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    We are missing each other. To you, it is Either-Or. It is clearly defined. This or that. Hetero or not.
    Now you are putting words in my mouth. That really gets under my skin. I Don't know where you fabricated that nonsense I never said anything of the sort. I completely accept the range of sexualities. Heterosexual homosexual bisexual transsexual pansexual demisexual, asexual, self sexual, and all of the gray a scales. I absolutely believe it can change. So don't sit there and tell me what I think and utterly fail at it.

    At least get it right.

    My perspective on you is that you are an "everybody is just like me opinion, there isn't even a choice of either or, its your way or no way.
    I believe that we all are bisexual. we only choose to live a certain way for a certain time (even if that time is our whole lifespan, it is still changeable, temporary, not absolute etc). Therefore, as a result of my belief, I do not feel like i am lying to myself. I feel, instead, that i have made a choice. I am bisexual. AND (not but) for all my years, I have lived as a heterosexual. I may live as a heterosexual until i die. but i have always been a bisexual. b/c the choice is available.
    you believe things about my sexuality? Its none of your concern. I am not bisexual I thought i was for a long time, I wanted to be because i could have a choice. But I am gay. Listen it isn't your way or no way. Most people can't change their orientation because that dint have the same orientation as you do. Yours is fixed you will always be bisexual, its the orientation with the most choice. But out will likely not change you even said it wouldn't.

    Let me put it this way, I have experienced bisexuality, I know first hand it isn't the same for everybody. I couldn't choose, i attempted. By your own Admission you are to scared to try. So don't sit in your ivory tower and tell somebody who has tried that they just didn't try hard enough. You don't know. I have walked the mile and survived you are to afraid to do so. So don't you lecture me on it..

    You told me I am bisexual, I am not. Just because you are doesn't mean everybody is.
    i wish i could express it better. I simply challenge the common way of classifying orientation as being one or the other, permanently. if you take away that classification system, then the pressure of coming out should be diminished. And if the whole world accepts a new classification system, the pressure/fear will imo, disappear.
    No, you assigned a one size fits all sexuality. There is nothing new about this "system" you "created." Sigmund Freud created it, Kinsey toyed with it. I am all for doing away with labels but that isn't going to happen. No heterosexual will take on the title of bisexual no homosexual will either, because its a lie. No pressure will come off this will create more. My experience is that bisexuals get the shortest end of the stick. Women don't like to date bi men because they don't want them running off with a man, and like wise with gay men same issue just swap the genders. I once identified as bi, no dates.

    No the die has been cast you can't make people let go of fear of homosexuality or other sexualities. I don't care how you relabel it, its still going to be there. I think people will resent your system. Because many people are not bisexual.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, what you are describing is the ability to engage in certain behavior. But participating in certain behaviors doesn't make one's orientation. Orientation is in the mind, it is who you are attracted too, yet anyone can have sex with someone of the opposite, or same sex, regardless of actual attraction. If a heterosexual has sex with a member of the same sex, that doesn't make them bisexual, or homosexual, it makes them someone who's engaged in homosexual activity.
    Yes i agree, orientation is so much more than the mechanics. There is romance and for us gay people it just doesn't fly on the opposite sex. Many people of the same sex. You have to have a spark so to speak. Good chemistry and compatible personalities, now I love women, many in my Life have shown me kindness that I couldn't know on my own but there is no way to force it. I tried the pain was unbearable.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    In their paper, "Homosexuality as a Consequence of Epigenetically Canalized Sexual Development", Rice et al. hypothesize that heritable epigenetic markers play a role leading to homosexuality (Rice et al., 2012). They build off of the prenatal androgen paradigm, which attributes sexual development to fetal testosterone concentrations, and add the ammendment that specific epi-marks affect fetal testosterone sensitivity (Figure 1). Usually, these epi-marks are not heritable. However, occasionally they do get passed down to the next generation. The Rice et al. model predicts that testosterone sensitizing epi-marks originate from the father, while testosterone desensitizing epi-marks originate from the mother. With increased testosterone sensitivity, an XX fetus goes through masculinization (the degree depending on multiple epi-marks and other factors). Similarly, with decreased testosterone sensitivity, an XY fetus goes through feminization to some extent. Depending on the degree of feminization of masculinization, homosexuality can theoretically result (Figure 2).


    Figure 1. The Sexual Dimorphism Signaling Pathway


    Figure 2. SA-Epi-Marks and Homosexuality

    It is well established that fetal androgen signaling strongly influences sexual development. We show that an unappreciated feature of this process is reduced androgen sensitivity in XX fetuses and enhanced sensitivity in XY fetuses, and that this difference is most feasibly caused by numerous sex-specific epigenetic modifications (“epi-marks”) originating in embryonic stem cells. These epi-marks buffer XX fetuses from masculinization due to excess fetal androgen exposure and similarly buffer XY fetuses from androgen underexposure. Extant data indicates that individual epi-marks influence some but not other sexually dimorphic traits, vary in strength across individuals, and are produced during ontogeny and erased between generations. Those that escape erasure will steer development of the sexual phenotypes they influence in a gonad-discordant direction in opposite sex offspring, mosaically feminizing XY offspring and masculinizing XX offspring. Such sex-specific epi-marks are sexually antagonistic (SA-epi-marks) because they canalize sexual development in the parent that produced them, but contribute to gonad-trait discordances in opposite-sex offspring when unerased. In this model, homosexuality occurs when stronger-than-average SA-epi-marks (influencing sexual preference) from an opposite-sex parent escape erasure and are then paired with a weaker-thanaverage de novo sex-specific epi-marks produced in opposite-sex offspring. Our model predicts that homosexuality is part of a wider phenomenon in which recently evolved androgen-influenced traits commonly display gonad-trait discordances at substantial frequency, and that the molecular feature underlying most homosexuality is not DNA polymorphism(s), but epi-marks that evolved to canalize sexual dimorphic development that sometimes carryover across generations and contribute to gonadtrait discordances in opposite-sex descendants.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I certainly believe that some people can choose their sexuality.

    But just because you were a boy and into boyish things when you were a boy doesn't have anything to do with sexual orientation. Its really not very easy to see it in kids that young. I was just like any other boy but when those teen years came I fancied the other boys, frankly it disgusted me but I simply c couldn't help it. It wasn't a choice for me, of it was I likely wouldn't have been gay.
    To be clear I never claimed that there are not homosexuals that cant change their sexuality.

    I was just trying to make it clear that some people can choose and the existence of those people does not in any way shape or form make people similar to yourself illegitimate. You are what you are which is just a human being nothing more or nothing less. Yours and my sexuality in the large scheme of things doesnt matter. Who I am wouldn't be significantly different if I were gay, just small details. I would still be me just with a different sexual orientation. Male, female gay or not gay or whatever people are people and they are all basically the same. No orientation is the best, they just exist and thats that.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You basically asked me the same thing. Were the circumstances right to know you weren't heterosexual. I have you a long thoughtful response, I didn't through red herrings.

    You would likely know you were asexual before screwing objects such as dogs and human remains. This post was beneath you.
    I did not basically ask you the same thing.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, dogs can't consent. But when I shop for cars, I try them out. Kick the tires. I didn't marry the first female I won't out with. I checked more than a few out. You can't really choose if you don't.
    You certainly could choose a wife without having sex with her. And many people have married without having sex before marriage. Its just your subjective opinion that you cant.

    Most people how can choose their sexuality probably did so as virgins. ANd those that cant choose their sexuality had no need to kick the tires.

    Its all very subjective.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I did not basically ask you the same thing.
    I am sorry freedom, I had mistaken you fir another poster.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Homosexuals merely become homosexual to annoy Conservatives. I'm convinced of it.

    The options are limited to nature/nurture. That's probably a mistake.

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