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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure you were ever sixteen. No, that's not how it worked then. And they did not have to be naked. I remember very distinctly reaction to a home EC teacher. No thought. No decision to look. Just seeing an reacting. Talk to other men with better memories.

    And again, if you don't try both out, you do not have enough information for an informed choice.
    Are you talking about the spontaneous erection? Are you saying that a spontaneous erection must be linked with something in the environment? a home ec teacher perhaps? Or do you think it wasn't spontaneous at all? well, i am trying to speak in general terms about stimulus and response. Of course, individual reports may vary. I accept that. I hope that you accept that memory is not perfect and can sometimes be sublimated by preferences/comfort/desire. which is why it is better, in my opinion, to speak in general terms.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Are you talking about the spontaneous erection? Are you saying that a spontaneous erection must be linked with something in the environment? a home ec teacher perhaps? Or do you think it wasn't spontaneous at all? well, i am trying to speak in general terms about stimulus and response. Of course, individual reports may vary. I accept that. I hope that you accept that memory is not perfect and can sometimes be sublimated by preferences/comfort/desire. which is why it is better, in my opinion, to speak in general terms.
    But we're speaking of development when we talk about choice. Most of us never consider going the other way. If we did, we'd wake up at sixteen and say its time. Go kick the tires on each, experiment with both, then and only then could we really choose. But attraction doesn't work that way. Instead we see one, and are attracted. See another and are not. There is no choice in it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Revolutionary isn't it? sorry i'm tired. I'm saying we are all the same as far as we are all bisexual. On top of that lowest common denominator, the choice to live as a bisexual, homo or hetero are the minor differences among us. Those little lifestyle choices, different as they may be, do not trump our common ability to make different choices. If you call me crazy I won't argue. I believe my ideas are possible though.






    yes. we all rationalize. that goes back to turning ideas around in our heads until we find the side we are comfortable with. we are all biased. If we disagree, then it is clear that we must be biased.

    I don't hav any evidence that homosexuality can be changed. I think the existence of bisexuals supports my idea though. I think prison behavior and navy ship behavior and monastery behavior and boy-scout camp behavior support my idea that attractions can change. If coffee can be an acquired taste, why not gay sex? nah. that's crazy. In a small town, fat chics with pretty faces are all 10's. Beauty and sexual desire are in the eye of the beholder. There are deep-seated(seeded?) reasons why we are scared to contemplate the possibility of having choice in the matter.
    I can only speak for myself, but I don't necessarily believe that we are all anything. I believe in the spectra. If anything reality makes me believe we areall very different. Some kids are gay when they are little like as young 4 years old. And the same for straight people. I frankly don't think we are all bisexual i don't think a measurable percent is bisexual. But that has been my experience. I don't agree with you. What do you base your theory on.

    Yes you choose to have sex with people, but I dint think you can choose your orientation. I would like to hear how you formulated such a theory of it is indeed a theory.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    I dont get these people here that think they have the power to stop people from deciding that they are gay or not. The key here is that for some it is their choice.

    They always like to ask if heteros decided that they are straight? Well yes I decided that I was straight, it was after all my choice not someone elses. I certainly didnt decide that I was gay when I was first learning about sexuality. It was a conscious decision, I said ya know I like girls now. Before I liked girls I would have rather been around other boys. Icky girls and their playing with dolls and talking about other girls and all that was not what I wanted as a young boy. Then puberty hit then I liked girls a lot but I didnt want to be one I wanted to figure out how to get them naked. But really I could have thought differently with different surroundings and different influences.

    But hey if you assert that you were born gay and you had no decision in the mater, hell its your life live it up I really dont care. Im ok with that claim doesnt affect me in any way. But just because you were born that way doesnt mean that everyone was born that way. Some people despite your narrow belief system do have a choice in their sexuality.

    Or as my very gay friend says: 'Im gay because I want to be gay, and I have big enough balls to back that claim'. Who am I to argue with his choice? ANd who are you to tell him that he has no choice?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I dont get these people here that think they have the power to stop people from deciding that they are gay or not. The key here is that for some it is their choice.

    They always like to ask if heteros decided that they are straight? Well yes I decided that I was straight, it was after all my choice not someone elses. I certainly didnt decide that I was gay when I was first learning about sexuality. It was a conscious decision, I said ya know I like girls now. Before I liked girls I would have rather been around other boys. Icky girls and their playing with dolls and talking about other girls and all that was not what I wanted as a young boy. Then puberty hit then I liked girls a lot but I didnt want to be one I wanted to figure out how to get them naked. But really I could have thought differently with different surroundings and different influences.

    But hey if you assert that you were born gay and you had no decision in the mater, hell its your life live it up I really dont care. Im ok with that claim doesnt affect me in any way. But just because you were born that way doesnt mean that everyone was born that way. Some people despite your narrow belief system do have a choice in their sexuality.

    Or as my very gay friend says: 'Im gay because I want to be gay, and I have big enough balls to back that claim'. Who am I to argue with his choice? ANd who are you to tell him that he has no choice?
    Did you try out sex with each?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure you were ever sixteen. No, that's not how it worked then. And they did not have to be naked. I remember very distinctly reaction to a home EC teacher. No thought. No decision to look. Just seeing an reacting. Talk to other men with better memories.

    And again, if you don't try both out, you do not have enough information for an informed choice.
    An erection is absolutely an involuntary thing. I studied male sexuality for my thesis. You wake up with an erection, when you fight you get an erection, when men die they typically die with erection. It is a default. You don't make erections happen. I have a teenage boy that I have to explain that to at least once a week that it is involuntary.

    I don't think Navy squid speaks from any educational background. Perhaps he is having trouble with his sexual identity.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    An erection is absolutely an involuntary thing. I studied male sexuality for my thesis. You wake up with an erection, when you fight you get an erection, when men die they typically die with erection. It is a default. You don't make erections happen. I have a teenage boy that I have to explain that to at least once a week that it is involuntary.

    I don't think Navy squid speaks from any educational background. Perhaps he is having trouble with his sexual identity.
    I know. It is the involuntary aspect I was trying to get across.

    As for him, maybe.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But we're speaking of development when we talk about choice. Most of us never consider going the other way. If we did, we'd wake up at sixteen and say its time. Go kick the tires on each, experiment with both, then and only then could we really choose. But attraction doesn't work that way. Instead we see one, and are attracted. See another and are not. There is no choice in it.
    well, that is where i disagree. i believe that we get attracted by... first, choosing to pay attention, then choosing what particular thoughts to entertain. then by choosing to let those thoughts/images continue long enough to have a reaction on us.

    I identify as heterosexual. I fantasize sex with women. If i chose, I could picture a man, fantasize about him, and , as long as i push away the discomfort, ignore my fear of consequences, ignore what i thought my identity was all along, then i could enjoy this fantasy and masturbate to it. and orgasm. But, if i indulge in the thoughts that allowing this fantasy to go on will have negative consequences for me, then i am less likely to allow the fantasy to play out to the endpoint of orgasm. if i indulge my initial distaste, then i will never get past that distaste and discover the pleasure that this fantasy could lead to.

    I think that is what people do. They immediately stop certain thoughts from continuing, OR after only a short time with minimal effort, they give up. This prevents the fantasy and the orgasm from ever developing. The reason, is that they chose to entertain the thoughts of the negative consequences. Now i understand that some of these neg consequences are very real. but that does not mean that they can not be ignored.

    there are people who say they have tried and tried to get aroused by women. I don't dispute that. I dispute HOW they tried, and HOW long they tried, and how much effort they put into ignoring the potential neg consequences.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    An erection is absolutely an involuntary thing. I studied male sexuality for my thesis. You wake up with an erection, when you fight you get an erection, when men die they typically die with erection. It is a default. You don't make erections happen. I have a teenage boy that I have to explain that to at least once a week that it is involuntary.

    I don't think Navy squid speaks from any educational background. Perhaps he is having trouble with his sexual identity.
    an erection can be the result of events that are within our control. what i think about is in my control. the amount of concentration i put towards it, is in my control. The neighbor is mowing his lawn but i will concentrate not on the noisy mower but rather her legs round my waist. Do you see the choices there? do you see the voluntary effort. Of course, erections can also be involuntary.

    your last sentence is beneath you.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I dont get these people here that think they have the power to stop people from deciding that they are gay or not. The key here is that for some it is their choice.

    They always like to ask if heteros decided that they are straight? Well yes I decided that I was straight, it was after all my choice not someone elses. I certainly didnt decide that I was gay when I was first learning about sexuality. It was a conscious decision, I said ya know I like girls now. Before I liked girls I would have rather been around other boys. Icky girls and their playing with dolls and talking about other girls and all that was not what I wanted as a young boy. Then puberty hit then I liked girls a lot but I didnt want to be one I wanted to figure out how to get them naked. But really I could have thought differently with different surroundings and different influences.

    But hey if you assert thasome were born gay and you had no decision in the mater, hell its your life live it up I really dont care. Im ok with that claim doesnt affect me in any way. But just because you were born that way doesnt mean that everyone was born that way. Some people despite your narrow belief system do have a choice in their sexuality.

    Or as my very gay friend says: 'Im gay because I want to be gay, and I have big enough balls to back that claim'. Who am I to argue with his choice? ANd who are you to tell him that he has no choice?
    I certainly believe that some people can choose their sexuality.

    But just because you were a boy and into boyish things when you were a boy doesn't have anything to do with sexual orientation. Its really not very easy to see it in kids that young. I was just like any other boy but when those teen years came I fancied the other boys, frankly it disgusted me but I simply c couldn't help it. It wasn't a choice for me, of it was I likely wouldn't have been gay.

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