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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I know through experience that it isn't a choice. I didn't want to be gay, I choose heterosexuality for years, it never really worked. You can choose to be a horse, it isn't going to make you into a horse. Yes you can choose to deny your nature and "be heterosexual", but it is an illusion.
    I wish to suggest alternate conclusions based on your experience. It may only be a matter of the words you chose in your post. If that's the case, then my suggestions may be misapplied. Here they are.... You said it never really worked, but could it have worked if a circumstance or two or three were different? Such as a location, a relative, or anything in your environment that had an influence?

    You said that it is an illusion. I think "illusion" is a value-based term. In other words, whether or not it is an illusion is in the eye of the beholder. Of course, this is your experience and you are the expert on it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    I agree. Wait, no I don't. I don't agree. -necessarily. If some people can choose their orientation and some people can not, what is the difference that exists between the two? A gene?
    My guess is epigenetics.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Sick people don't choose to be sick, example serial killers. Homosexuality is a mental defect, they can't help it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Sick people don't choose to be sick, example serial killers. Homosexuality is a mental defect, they can't help it.
    Unfounded. There is no evidence that homosexuality is a "mental defect". It, in and of itself, does not cause loss of functionality in day to day living or distress and those are generally requirements for something to be classified as a mental health problem.

    I am gay, I am college educated, work as a counselor providing services to people in need, and I am in a stable and committed relationship with a wonderful man. It is kind of hard to argue that I am "sick" when I am living a pretty good and healthy life. You would need a fairly broad and meaningless definition of "sick" to fit me into it.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And what you think about during sex can be far more arousing than what you are doing while having sex.
    Agreed.


    That puts you at odds with just about every major medical and mental health organization in the country...but okay.
    Okay.

    That view puts you in an extreme minority in this country.
    Okay.



    Your reasoning is backwards. They CAN choose to end their life, against all instincts to survive, and preferences to survive and they do so in some cases entirely because they CAN"T choose not to be gay.

    Do you get that? It is is so hard for people to change their sexual orientation that it is EASIER for them to kill themselves.
    Of course you think that. Because you are convinced that people can not choose to be gay. All you did was re-word our argument. Perhaps after I re-worded it. *shrugs*

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Unfounded. There is no evidence that homosexuality is a "mental defect". It, in and of itself, does not cause loss of functionality in day to day living or distress and those are generally requirements for something to be classified as a mental health problem.
    Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

    According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

    http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealt...hat-went-away/

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    You'd don't just wake up one day and decide you want to switch your gender preference. There has to be some pre-existing feelings for that to occur. Your entire life you feel one way, you can't just choose to feel the other without at least a tad bit of pre-existing feelings.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    ok. i just looked up epigenetics. my understanding is that the gene expresses a different trait without a fundamental change in the DNA. It expresses a different trait because it has been acted on by a protein. My first question... what caused this protein to act on it? next, if this same protein acts on this same gene in different people, does it produce the same result? If not, why? If not, then this protein-gene relationship is unpredictable. more questions later.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Of course you think that. Because you are convinced that people can not choose to be gay. All you did was re-word our argument. Perhaps after I re-worded it. *shrugs*
    Do you think the gays are killing themselves because they have found it easy to change their sexual orientation?

    Well let me throw some evidence at you. It is rather convenient that the Ex-Gay Lobby recently decided to throw a big rally in Washington D.C. that they expected thousands of people who left homosexuality to attend. How many do you think actually attended?

    D.C. ex-gay rally draws fewer than 10 attendees | The Raw Story

    Of all those "thousands" of people who have left homosexuality, all they could muster was 10 people.

    And what of organizations that tout that change is possible? We could start with the biggest one...

    Ex-gay group Exodus International shuts down, president apologizes | Religion News Service

    So...the evidence does not really support your reasoning.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    ok. i just looked up epigenetics. my understanding is that the gene expresses a different trait without a fundamental change in the DNA. It expresses a different trait because it has been acted on by a protein. My first question... what caused this protein to act on it? next, if this same protein acts on this same gene in different people, does it produce the same result? If not, why? If not, then this protein-gene relationship is unpredictable. more questions later.
    Androgen exposure during fetal development is the hypothesis. Even identical twins can be exposed to differing androgen levels while in the womb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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