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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about because they still offer no proof. Genetics would be proof positive. Currently it is proof negative. I was guest lecturer in two Abnormal Psychology courses and explained what I have on the forum, but with greater detail about the individuals I was personally privy to pre-puberty and adolescent behavior.
    Okay. hmmm... what do you think about this information? (In no particular order but none later than 2008)

    Sexual Orientation: In The Brain - CBS News

    Sexual orientation and its basis in brain structure and function

    Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights - Washington Post

    BBC NEWS | Health | Scans see 'gay brain differences'

    Gay Myths: 2 Bits Of Misinformation Debunked : Healthy Living : Medical Daily

    Neuroscience and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How about because they still offer no proof. Genetics would be proof positive. Currently it is proof negative. I was guest lecturer in two Abnormal Psychology courses and explained what I have on the forum, but with greater detail about the individuals I was personally privy to pre-puberty and adolescent behavior.
    What burden of "proof" are you trying to find?

    In order to truly prove that homosexuality is genetic, then they would have to genetically modify a random group of humans and see if they grew up to be homosexual. That would be incredibly unethical. There is no other way to conclusively prove it. What they can do is find correlations that are indicative of a genetic trait. In that regard they have found plenty.

    The fact that they can't prove homosexuality is genetic has more to do with what they would have to do in order to prove it than whether or not it is genetic.

    As somebody who was a "guest lecturer in two Abnormal Psychology courses" I find it odd that this fact would escape you.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    However, bisexuality may not be a choice either. In my theory, expressed in post #103, #273, #278, #282, and modified in #355 to adapt "hormonal changes in the womb," it is a population control mechanism, sort of a bridge between heterosexual and homosexual orientations.

    Therefore, the cross-over expression of bisexuality does not have to demonstrate a choice of behaviors by either homosexuals or heterosexuals, but a clear intermediate sexual orientation in and of itself.
    And you are asserting more than just a opinion?

    Asserting that sexual orientation is a biological method of population control seems a bit of a stretch to me. From a evolutionary position I think that your case really falls flat. The glaring problem is that human population growth has not in the slightest regressed in the thousands of years that homosexuality has existed. And I must point out that homosexuality existed in small populations where there wasnt any damn need to control population growth.

    Different hormone levels doesnt prove homosexuality. If a man develops Male Hormone Deficiency it doesnt automatically mean that hes going to turn gay.

    I didnt answer the poll because there isnt a choice for 'It depends on the individual'.

    In my lifetime I have known many homosexuals. Some assert that they were that way from birth, but some get offended when people say its not a choice. And there are arguments from in between like a friend of mine that says that he was straight but was bored with it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    In my lifetime I have known many homosexuals. Some assert that they were that way from birth, but some get offended when people say its not a choice. And there are arguments from in between like a friend of mine that says that he was straight but was bored with it.
    I agree with this notion. I think a lot of sexual diversity gets lost in the homosexuality debate. It isn't black and white, but the culture war has made it that way. I'm gay, but I have no idea why I am gay. I have never had sex with a women, and I never got that same kind of visceral "I want to get into that" feeling that I got with guys. I have no idea what made me that way and I feel hesitant to say that I was born that way or that I chose to be that way, but it is the way I am and it hasn't changed yet.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Show us the data. If you went through all that work, then you must have some cited information to back up your point of view.

    By the way...since you are so proficient in this area, could you please state the basis for proving causation?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And you are asserting more than just a opinion?

    Asserting that sexual orientation is a biological method of population control seems a bit of a stretch to me. From a evolutionary position I think that your case really falls flat. The glaring problem is that human population growth has not in the slightest regressed in the thousands of years that homosexuality has existed. And I must point out that homosexuality existed in small populations where there wasnt any damn need to control population growth.

    In my lifetime I have known many homosexuals. Some assert that they were that way from birth, but some get offended when people say its not a choice. And there are arguments from in between like a friend of mine that says that he was straight but was bored with it.
    It appears to me that you chose not to read the posts, or cherry picked through whatever you did read. You would have gotten answers to some of your comments before making them here.

    In any case population control through sexual behaviors is not uncommon in the Animal Kingdon. But this is not the sole method used in nature to retard over-population. As populations grow over-pollution occurs, living space shrinks, starvation, conflict, and cannibalism can occur. Evolution does bear this out.

    We, as a species, have been able to slow down and temporarily prevent some of the normal processes through the use of our technologies. However, that will not last forever as long as we continue to allow our population to grow. The earth is already suffering depletions, whole species have disappeared from our oceans and life-less zones are increasing in it. I could go on, but that is off the point.

    I am not saying my theory is correct, but it is based upon some valid research and seems to be more rational than just your naked "opinion" and anecdotal examples. I've NEVER met a homosexual who said it was a choice, EVER in my 56 years. I also met and known quite a few. But that doesn't influence my theory because that's merely anecdotal too and I don't factor it in.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    If you like gay sex, you are not necessarily gay. Having gay sex does not mean you are gay. Period.

    If in the next few posts you don't offer any actual evidence of your baseless opinions, I will just end this conversation and accept your failure to provide evidence as resignation.
    I agree with your first 2 sentences in the quote. You have asserted that like and attracted to are different. So that means one could like gay sex but not be attracted to men. Is that correct?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    post number 178
    That isn't even your post.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I disagree. If it's genetic, it is not a matter of choice. As child molesters are frequently people who were molested as children and simultaneously with the programming of their personal computer, the human brain, it appears to mean that any activity, especially a homosexual molestation would have the same cause/effect relationship. That thought has been driven away by the political correctness of stating that homosexuality is not a psychological abnormality. Ergo, you're not supposed to say it or think it. I do both because it seems to me to be one of the answers.
    Please provide the evidence, not the anecdotal evidence, but the actual evidence you have to support your view that homosexuality is the result of child molestation.

    Since you are sharing your credentials, I will share mine. I have a Masters Degree in Social Work, and while I was specializing in Clinical Social Work, I emphasized Child Welfare. I would absolutely love to see the evidence you have to back up your claims. Because, to be perfectly frank, I think you are full of crap.
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    Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I don't know a single gay person who says they chose their attractions. I don't see a shred of evidence to support it either. Just assertions.
    I thought you were still debating Merriam-Webster on the definition of homosexuality.

    Not really interested in your gay friends. I accept that they believe their homosexuality is innate and wish them well. My assertion remains unchanged that for at least some people it has been a choice even if it is a small minority. You have no evidence that this isn't true either.
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