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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    People who said they did some exploring with same-sex or opposite-sex relationships in college (or whenever ).
    Exploring different sexual relationships does not determine one's sexuality. Sexuality is an attraction. A gay man that had sex with women is not and was not straight.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What evidence? How about people admitting they made a choice. Hell, bisexuality proves choice. Homosexuality in prisons proves choice. The proof that it CAN be a choice is overwhelming. The proof that it isn't a choice is nonexistent. It's just a theory. Use Occam's razor to figure out the explanation.
    Bisexuality does not prove choice. It is a distinct orientation too. Would YOU have sex with other men, consistently? Simply saying "I choose not to" isn't saying YOU are making a "choice" unless YOU also admit that YOU find men attractive, and admit YOU want and would have sex with them. Then maybe you can submit an excuse like you are in a committed marriage or you adhere to the teachings of a religious group to show you choose not to. (Clinton's "lust in my heart" defense).

    Prison sex is mostly about POWER. That's how "straight" prisoners with no other outlet justify sex with subordinate males. Most of the time it is outright rape. The remainder of the time it is with open homosexuals who are considered a "convenience." It's still hardly a "choice" when you are facing 20 years to life with no other options.

    What examples of "people admitting they made a choice" are you talking about? I can't address that point without clear examples.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    From APA, I know. The part you put in bold, while factual, is not proof that applies to all cases. I suspect that statement is based on testimonials.

    You didn't like the categories I suggested?
    I think they are a waste of effort seeing that eing gay or whatever harms no one.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think they are a waste of effort seeing that eing gay or whatever harms no one.
    nether does some other different sexual preferences like bestiality and that still is outlawed and considered a mental illness then we have bigamy should that still remain illegal

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    nether does some other different sexual preferences like bestiality and that still is outlawed and considered a mental illness then we have bigamy should that still remain illegal
    Ummmm, not quite. In the USA it is legal in AL, AS, DC, GU, HI, KY, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, MP, OH, TX, VT, VA, WV, WY. it is only a misdemeanor in AK, CA, CO, CT, FL, IA, KS, LA, ME, MD, MN, MO, NE, NY, ND, OR, PA, UT, VI, and WI.

    It is also currently legal in Thailand, Sweden, Russia, Romania, Portugal, Poland, Philippines, Mexico, Italy, Japan, Hugary, Germany(?), Finland, Denmark, Canbodia, Brazil, and seveal states in Australia.

    Just pointing this out without advocating it.

    (?) about to become illegal in Germany.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    1. That bisexuals exist does not mean any choice is involved. It is just another category of sexual orientation, and they could just as well not be able to choose to only be attracted to one sex.
    2. Attraction is not the same as a "like" or a "dislike." A like is something one prefers. An attraction is something that can potentially evoke such likes or dislikes.

    Please show me actual evidence that sexual attraction is a choice. Actual studies, actual research, anything other than your own assertions.
    Refer to the first sentence in post #378. (Anything other than my own assertion.)

    Regarding #2... likes and dislikes of the same thing can flip flop over the course of a life time.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Bisexuality does not prove choice. It is a distinct orientation too.
    That's the narrative we're hearing in an effort to deflect attention from the obvious reality that choice is involved. Sure, it's convenient to argue that if someone has sex with the opposite sex for the first 30 years of their life and then decides to switch sides that it's not really a choice, but that's bull****. It's clearly a choice. Someone that engages in sex indiscrimately, male or female isn't just someone that has "their own unique sexual orientation", it's someone that CHOOSES which gender for sexual intercourse and changes their mind multiple times. And I know a woman who told me they became bisexual just because they'd had it with men and their ****. That's a choice. My brother has had sex with women, but he is a militant homosexual activist. He has told me in the past that he decided as a teenager to reject the heterosexual mommy/daddy model of relationships and would never do such a thing. He denies that now because it's convenient, but what's strange is that he supports gay marriage which mimics the very model he rejected. Not that he's actually interested in marriage, of course. It's just that it is a blow for "gay rights" and a way to stick a thumb in the eye of "the evangelicals" for whom he has a raging hatred.

    I tend to think that some people are so... well, let's just say that it's reasonable to assume they were always going to end up being flaming homosexuals. I'm inclined to believe for some it may not be a choice. I know for a fact, however, that for some, it WAS a choice. For some it was just sex and going the route of homosexuality just suited the rebel in them. What they screw isn't as important as how often they get laid and how much it might freak out their parents or "polite society".

    To say that choice isn't in play is to deny reality - or maybe to just be ignorant of reality.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Exploring different sexual relationships does not determine one's sexuality. Sexuality is an attraction. A gay man that had sex with women is not and was not straight.
    Btu during that semester that she was exploring with lesbian relationships, if I asked her, why did you hook-up with Mary? She might answer, " I find her attractive."

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think they are a waste of effort seeing that eing gay or whatever harms no one.
    How did the question of harm come into it?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's the narrative we're hearing in an effort to deflect attention from the obvious reality that choice is involved. Sure, it's convenient to argue that if someone has sex with the opposite sex for the first 30 years of their life and then decides to switch sides that it's not really a choice, but that's bull****. It's clearly a choice.
    People will say that the person was gay all along, just repressing the drive. Or that the person is bisexual. I do not believe that bisexual should be a distinct orientation.

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