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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is simply not true. Or have you missed the NUMEROUS times people 'come out' as gay after years of marriage, with families.
    Yes..I know many do..but it is often due to family pressure and the desire to appear ''normal''..

    Pressure from peers and expectations of society will make them do crazy and self-destructive things.

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    Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Yes..I know many do..but it is often due to family pressure and the desire to appear ''normal''..

    Pressure from peers and expectations of society will make them do crazy and self-destructive things.
    Hence the word...choice.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Hence the word...choice.
    No...just the fear of telling their parents..society...workmates..just keeping up a facade..

    If their parents were totally anti-gay??

    Old school, my son marries and has children..end of..

    Can you see why so many gay men live a lie??

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    No...just the fear of telling their parents..society...workmates..just keeping up a facade..

    If their parents were totally anti-gay??

    Old school, my son marries and has children..end of..

    Can you see why so many gay men live a lie??
    While I agree, as you can probably see from all my prior posts, that sexual orientation is not a choice, still the actions taken as described by you and Vancemack are in fact technically choices.

    The person chose to pretend to be heterosexual to comform. He could have also chosen to be celibate, or to not comform and act within his innate orientation. The fact that in the example he chose to behave as expected does not mean he is not homosexual or that this type of choice indicates his actual orientation is also just a choice.

    Understand?
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 06-29-13 at 09:07 AM.

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    Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    No...just the fear of telling their parents..society...workmates..just keeping up a facade..

    If their parents were totally anti-gay??

    Old school, my son marries and has children..end of..

    Can you see why so many gay men live a lie??
    And some do it simply because they believe it is 'wrong'. All completely irrelevant to the OP. Not suggesting WHAT people should choose, only THAT people choose. Its a fairly common occurrence.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    While I agree, as you can probably see from all my prior posts, that sexual orientation is not a choice, still the actions taken as described by you and Vancemack are in fact technically choices.

    The person chose to pretend to be heterosexual to comform. He could have also chosen to be celebate, or to not comform and act within his innate orientation. The fact that in the example he chose to behave as expected does not mean he is not homosexual or that this type of choice indicates his actual orientatin is a choice.

    Understand?
    I don't think he could have been ''celibate''..an unmarried son of a certain age raises questions especially if he isn't seen in the company of women..

    I don't have a choice as to whether I find men attractive..I just do

    And I am not attracted to women...

    It's not a choice...

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    I don't think he could have been ''celibate''..an unmarried son of a certain age raises questions especially if he isn't seen in the company of women..

    I don't have a choice as to whether I find men attractive..I just do

    And I am not attracted to women...

    It's not a choice...
    I apologize, but it appears you are "reacting" rather than reading for clarity and then responding.

    I am certainly not arguing Homosexuality is a choice. However, when the man in the scenario decided to comform that WAS a choice. It was not about his homosexual orientation. It was about how he wanted to appear to family, and society at large. In doing so he made an informed decision...i.e. a rational "choice"

    He then kept making the effort, no matter what it took. Again, all choices. But he was, and still is homosexual. That was never a "choice." Is that any clearer, or is my post and position still unclear?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I apologize, but it appears you are "reacting" rather than reading for clarity and then responding.

    I am certainly not arguing Homosexuality is a choice. However, when the man in the scenario decided to comform that WAS a choice. It was not about his homosexual orientation. It was about how he wanted to appear to family, and society at large. In doing so he made an informed decision...i.e. a rational "choice"

    He then kept making the effort, no matter what it took. Again, all choices. But he was, and still is homosexual. That was never a "choice." Is that any clearer, or is my post and position still unclear?
    Maybe he just made a choice to be what his parents expected him to be, out of love for them...or fear for his social status..

    I believe that in 29 states in the USA..you can be fired if you are openly gay...

    Quote from Martina Navratilova..

    ''29 states in this country you can still get fired for not just being gay, but if your employer thinks you are gay."

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Maybe he just made a choice to be what his parents expected him to be, out of love for them...or fear for his social status..

    I believe that in 29 states in the USA..you can be fired if you are openly gay...

    Quote from Martina Navratilova..

    ''29 states in this country you can still get fired for not just being gay, but if your employer thinks you are gay."
    Understood, since there is no Federal protection against descrimination based on sexual orientation at the present time. Still, that is just more support for my point that a gay or lesbian would make a rational choice to act in conformity with expected social norms, all the while still remaining homosexual.

    Never fear that by accepting some anti-gay argument that visible choices to comform to social expectation means that you must also making a choice to be gay. They simply confuse the difference and think it proves their point.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you are 100% factually wrong and thats already been proven

    like i have asked you many times already if you disagree simply factually prove it using "your" religion

    everytime you tried and posted something you completely failed and it proved me right

    maybe in your next post youll have some facts or something that supports you, if you are right why dont you simply just post this evidence, i cant wait to read it
    Actually you have proven nothing. I mean really, apparently you think you have in your self-centered reality. But you haven't.
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