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Is Homosexuality A Choice?

Is Homosexuality A Choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 15.9%

  • No

    Votes: 136 65.7%

  • Maybe/Don't Know

    Votes: 38 18.4%
  • Total voters
    207
Papa bull said:
Of course but the argument that the government must accommodate you if you can't help what you are attracted to is blown by the fact we all agree it doesn't in the case of bestiality, incest, etc.
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Maybe I should be clearer. I used race as an example. You can't change that or make yourself any different race wise (unless you are Michael Jackson!) and the law must recognize this. In the case of 2 consenting adults the state must recognize this as legitimate or all our laws are just a joke and equal protection under the law is nothing but lip service. We had laws that did not allow people of different races to marry and people used the same lame unconstitutional argument to support it.
 
Black Manta said:
Maybe I should be clearer. I used race as an example. You can't change that or make yourself any different race wise (unless you are Michael Jackson!) and the law must recognize this. In the case of 2 consenting adults the state must recognize this as legitimate or all our laws are just a joke and equal protection under the law is nothing but lip service. We had laws that did not allow people of different races to marry and people used the same lame unconstitutional argument to support it.
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There is nothing unconstitutional about the argument that a state sanctioned institution like marriage must be defined by the state that creates it. The state created it for a reason and I e yet to hear a good explanation for why the state isn't the right authority on that reason and also on what sort of relationships it finds suita le for that institution. This whole argument t isn't about individual equality. It is an attempt to apply equal rights to relationships with the claim that homosexual and heterosexual RELATIONSHIPS are equal. Most states don't feel they are.
 
Papa bull said:
There is nothing unconstitutional about the argument that a state sanctioned institution like marriage must be defined by the state that creates it. The state created it for a reason and I e yet to hear a good explanation for why the state isn't the right authority on that reason and also on what sort of relationships it finds suita le for that institution. This whole argument t isn't about individual equality. It is an attempt to apply equal rights to relationships with the claim that homosexual and heterosexual RELATIONSHIPS are equal. Most states don't feel they are.
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They said the same thing about blacks in the 50's. Well fortunately the SCOTUS does not agree and that inequality is over.
 
Black Manta said:
They said the same thing about blacks in the 50's. Well fortunately the SCOTUS does not agree and that inequality is over.
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When you wake up tomorrow and find out that there is STILL no such thing as homosexual marriage in most states, don't be too shocked. It's just reality doing what reality does; being real.
 
Homosexuality is not a choice. It is a natural, adaptive biological trait, from all that we know at this point.

(Acting - or not - on your (most natural) urges - that is a choice. We are not animals. If, for example, I were still a Catholic, and I were a homosexual - I would have to stay celibate).
 
MaggieD said:
I think for some people it is.
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If you think of it as spectrum, much like people are not eithe 3 foot or 7 foot tall, then yes. It would stand to reason some coud choose. Think back to when you were 16. I remember have a very physical reaction to a young home EC teacher. What if I had that same reaction with the football coach? Or something equivalent. Or both? At som point we all come to understand what our bodies are saying. Not sure that's choice though.
 
If it wasn't a choice, I wouldn't have had much success in the past in getting some ex-girlfriends into some threesomes.

Ah, the good ol' days...
 
Since I am not homosexual, I can't speak from personal experience. However, I know that I didn't choose to be attracted to men; I just was attracted to men, and only men.

For me, it stands to reason that people cannot choose who they are attracted to, and who they are not attracted to. Since my early 20's, I have known and worked with probably 100+ gay and lesbian friends and coworkers who were openly gay, even in the olden days when it was not particularly safe and definitely not cool to be openly homosexual. Not one of them ever woke up one day and said to themselves, "I think I'll trying being homosexual now." They just... were, and they'd always known it, even if they had tried to ignore it or pretend it didn't exist in order to be "normal".

Dammit, nobody should ever have to pretend to be someone they aren't in order to be "normal", because who they are IS NORMAL for them. It's who they are.

I'm glad I lived long enough to see the last vestiges of legal institutionalized bigotry begin to crumble, and see a future where real, true equality will be applied to everyone.
 
MACS-24 said:
Not necessarily, many, many pre-teens and young teens naturally "experiment" even though they know and grow up to be straight. It's a natural process of puberty and realizing sexuality.
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Then they're not choosing. They're experimenting and discovering what they truly are. It's like trying several different flavors of ice cream. You like one more than the others. And then you eat more of that one.
 
Papa bull said:
When you wake up tomorrow and find out that there is STILL no such thing as homosexual marriage in most states, don't be too shocked. It's just reality doing what reality does; being real.
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How long before gay marriages are recognized in most states?
 
No, a person is or a person is not gay. Gay people are not turned gay or turned straight. Gay is gay and straight is straight. Sure there are doubters, people who try it both ways but most of them will be bi-sexual or bi-curious. Fully straight men do not engage in homosexual behavior (or most of them do not at least).

People should allow other people to be what they want to be when it comes to gay/straight/bi-sexual/transgender, people do not choose the path they find themselves on so it would be pretty nice for other people to remember that and treat everyone like they want to be treated themselves.

I am straight but that does not define me, being a decent person defines me much more than my gender/age/etc. Live and let live IMHO.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
When 18 more states allow SSM. How long before most states allow the right to carry loaded handguns?
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I prefer loving over killing. But hey, to each his own. :mrgreen::peace
 
Attraction is a byproduct of hormonal and chemical as well as physiological reactions within the body. These are programmed into our DNA and at the right times are coded to take effect; love is a byproduct of such sequencing of events. Therefore if such events occur is heterosexual humans then they too must occur in homosexuals; the differences lie in how the sequencing unravels and the outcomes it creates. In heterosexuals men like women and vice versa. This is the way the code is written in most humans; it is a standard for the specie, however there are humans in which the sequencing can result in a different outcome such as homosexuality. This doesn't warrant a correction of a condition, it is simply how one comes to be; homosexuality is not standard to the specie however it does occur and how we deal with this variance is largely influenced by societal standards, expectations of such and the laws governing our particular cultures.

Neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are choices, they are both byproduct of our generic sequencing with heterosexuality being the standard and natural outcome of such sequences.
 
CriticalThought said:
What are you talking about? If an identical twin is gay then there is a 50% chance that the other twin will be gay. That is astronomically higher than for fraternal twins and the general public. Obviously it isn't purely genetic, but virtually everyone now agrees that genetics do play a role. Where did you get your information?
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Please attach the link that documents the 50% correlation.
 
Nightrider said:
This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
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The specifics of behavior we choose is simply that, a choice.

But the homosexual sex drive, like the heterosexual sex drive, is simply not a choice.

Current scientific presentation (less than a year old) has revealed that homosexuality is epigenetically inculcated during gestation (not "genetically" inculcated) ..

.. And, when you examine the causative factors of homosexuality it bears an exact resemblance etiologically to the etiology of spina bifida and other birth defects: http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/160480-homosexuality-birth-defect.html.

At this point in time, there is no other unrefuted scientific presentation on the cause of homosexuality .. and the current scientific presentation on the cause of homosexuality has yet to receive any rational scientific conjecture from other scientists.
 
Anybody have statistics on the sexual orientation outcome of children raised by gay parents? After all...role modeling is a real effect of parenting.

My bet...NO...gay parents don't in anyway influence their child's sexual orientation.

If that's a good bet...then I'm betting that sexual orientation...is simply a product of wiring at birth.

However, I'm not claiming that environmental homosexuality doesn't exist. I don't doubt that it does. But I believe that environmental sexual orientation effects...are the exception and far from the rule.
 
Papa bull said:
When you wake up tomorrow and find out that there is STILL no such thing as homosexual marriage in most states, don't be too shocked. It's just reality doing what reality does; being real.
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So far you have not given me any reasons at all to think it should not be made legal in all states. I mean it will take awhile, but it will happen. On top of that it is coming, like it or not. Now that it is federally recognized, all marriages in other states will have to be recognized as well no matter what state they were married in. Welcome to the future.
 
Boo Radley said:
If you think of it as spectrum, much like people are not eithe 3 foot or 7 foot tall, then yes. It would stand to reason some coud choose. Think back to when you were 16. I remember have a very physical reaction to a young home EC teacher. What if I had that same reaction with the football coach? Or something equivalent. Or both? At som point we all come to understand what our bodies are saying. Not sure that's choice though.
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Kids are always looking for ways to make their marks . . . to be different . . . to stand out. Some choose to stand out by being the tough guy or the gal who puts rings in her tongue or some other outlandish way of expressing themselves. I think that some young people decide being gay or bi- is but another way of standing out from the crowd. JMVHO.
 
The single biggest fail in questions like this is in presuming there is a "one size fits all" answer. The human species is way too complex for that.
 
Is a woman who chooses to live in a committed relationship with another woman, because she's sick and tired of being treated like crap by men, gay? Or, is she straight and just sleeping with another woman?
 
radcen said:
The single biggest fail in questions like this is in presuming there is a "one size fits all" answer. The human species is way too complex for that.
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Excellent point.
 
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