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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1.)Let's get one thing straight.
    2.)You are talking about MY religion, how do you know what is or is not wrong in MY religion?
    3.)We obviously do not believe the same things,
    4.)or follow the same religion.
    1.) its mine too
    2.) yes i do and YOU proved it by qouting what is sin, it supported me and proved you wrong
    3.) this is true because you believe things that are factually untrue
    4.) we do follow the same religion

    now if you would please stop being dishonest and continue to get upset or admit you are factually wrong

    provide the evidence based off of YOUR religion has to why homosexuality itself is a sin, id love to read it, so far everything you have posted proves that wrong.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Exactly how does that contradict my post? We seem to be in agreement...
    I wasn't contradicting your post. In fact, I am in total agreement. As I stated, "Your post make sense."

    Sorry if I failed to make it clear.

    My point is that it seems that a lot of people can somehow justify their prejudices against others without considering what makes them who they are...or how they came to be who they are. I'm amazed in this day and age that people can't be honest with themselves by acknowledging their very own immutable characteristics, which they played no role in or in any way participated in their own design. If they had no choice in having blue eye, their height, their foot size, hair color...etc. What make them think that others do? And how can people be so cognitively rigid as to not believe that sexual orientation is as immutable as their eye color, hair, ..etc.?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I wasn't contradicting your post. In fact, I am in total agreement. As I stated, "Your post make sense."

    Sorry if I failed to make it clear.

    My point is that it seems that a lot of people can somehow justify their prejudices against others without considering what makes them who they are...or how they came to be who they are. I'm amazed in this day and age that people can't be honest with themselves by acknowledging their very own immutable characteristics, which they played no role in or in any way participated in their own design. If they had no choice in having blue eye, their height, their foot size, hair color...etc. What make them think that others do? And how can people be so cognitively rigid as to not believe that sexual orientation is as immutable as their eye color, hair, ..etc.?
    Sorry, I totally missed that. You made it clear, I just for some reason didn't see it.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    That doesn't change their attraction to that person though. Homosexuality is not defined by who you get rubbed by.
    How do you know it isn't? Sometimes it can also become about group identification. Again, my opinion is that there are a percent for whom it is a choice and a percent for whom it is innate and that the percentage of both is above 0%.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Most societies have made at least some allowance for homosexuality. While it has never been truly accepted in any culture's version of "polite society," in most cases, homosexuality is not the certain death sentence you seem to view it as being.
    Was there not a case where homosexuals were given the death penalty?


    One's preference is a function of individual choice more than anything else.
    How so?

    I love the band Boston, because I find their music very enjoyable and catchy. I don't simply stop liking Boston. Nor do I suddenly start liking Kayne West's newest albums.

    Even if I stopped listening to "More Than a Feeling", does that mean I don't like?

    It is the same with many of the more bizarre fetishes out there, like extreme BDSM, bestiality, or fecalphelia. The idea that all of these rather diverse forms of sexual expression could be driven by biological compulsion alone is rather far-fetched to say the least.
    If I remember correctly, sexual fetishes were believed to be caused by lack of exposure to 'normal' sexual stimulation during adolescence.


    I'd say that personal choice very likely accounts for a far larger share of human behavior than you might realize.
    Depends on the human behavior in question.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    How do you know it isn't? Sometimes it can also become about group identification. Again, my opinion is that there are a percent for whom it is a choice and a percent for whom it is innate and that the percentage of both is above 0%.
    I see no evidence to believe it is a choice. Not a single shred of evidence at all. You can want to be part of a group, and have sex with certain people, but that doesn't change who you are attracted to. Attraction is not defined by action.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    How so?

    I love the band Boston, because I find their music very enjoyable and catchy. I don't simply stop liking Boston. Nor do I suddenly start liking Kayne West's newest albums.

    Even if I stopped listening to "More Than a Feeling", does that mean I don't like?
    Would you argue that this preference is primarily biological in nature, or the result of environmental factors?

    If you had been raised in a minority culture, would you have learned to favor Kayne West's music instead? Even now, could you not learn to appreciate Kayne West's music as an acquired taste if you desired to do so?

    This is the primary difference in question where the matter of "choice" in homosexuality concerned. If a biologically straight man, so inclined, develops a sexual preference for the same gender as an "acquired taste," that is a matter of choice, not compulsion.

    I wouldn't say that this kind of thing is particularly common, but I wouldn't rule it out as being entirely impossible either.

    If I remember correctly, sexual fetishes were believed to be caused by lack of exposure to 'normal' sexual stimulation during adolescence.
    Perhaps, but that's not quite the same thing as having a biological or genetic "compulsion" towards them.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If you had been raised in a minority culture, would you have learned to favor Kayne West's music instead?
    I don't think that's something either of us can truthfully answer.

    Even now, could you not learn to appreciate Kayne West's music as an acquired taste if you desired to do so?
    No. I could force myself to listen to it, but that does not mean I would like it.

    This is the primary difference in question where the matter of "choice" in homosexuality concerned. If a biologically straight man, so inclined, develops a sexual preference for the same gender as an "acquired taste," that is a matter of choice, not compulsion.
    How do we know the taste (Heh,) of men was not just already there? I mean, what drove him to desire a sexual relationship with another man? How can we pin down what caused the development?





    Perhaps, but that's not quite the same thing as having a biological or genetic "compulsion" towards them.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I see no evidence to believe it is a choice. Not a single shred of evidence at all. You can want to be part of a group, and have sex with certain people, but that doesn't change who you are attracted to. Attraction is not defined by action.
    According to Merriam-Websiter, homosexuality is defined by action:

    Definition of HOMOSEXUALITY
    1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
    2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

    So of all the homosexuals in the world, you believe that 100% of them are homosexual innately? You have not convinced me away from my assertion that the percent who are homosexual are that way by choice is greater than 0%. I do believe that for some, receiving love and affection from someone of ones same sex can influence someone's lifestyle in the same way that it can influence them when that someone if of the opposite sex.

    Perhaps that possibility makes you think that that somehow weakens the homosexual cause, I do not.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) its mine too
    2.) yes i do and YOU proved it by qouting what is sin, it supported me and proved you wrong
    3.) this is true because you believe things that are factually untrue
    4.) we do follow the same religion

    now if you would please stop being dishonest and continue to get upset or admit you are factually wrong

    provide the evidence based off of YOUR religion has to why homosexuality itself is a sin, id love to read it, so far everything you have posted proves that wrong.
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