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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    There are tons of psychology books that discuss this. Try a book with the psychology of learning as it's subject.
    I Have a masters in psychology.

    We have many competing theories as to the origin of sexuality, to me they are all relatively equally valid. So a positive answer doesn't exist I think any reputable psychological analysis of this subject would render a similar conclusion.

    It could be a learned behavior, it could be something else. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but there are no factual conclusions that support it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I Have a masters in psychology.

    We have many competing theories as to the origin of sexuality, to me they are all relatively equally valid. So a positive answer doesn't exist I think any reputable psychological analysis of this subject would render a similar conclusion.

    It could be a learned behavior, it could be something else. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but there are no factual conclusions that support it.
    I agree and I have said "I believe" attraction it is learned behavior. If you have a masters in psy, you know it's a valid theory. If applied to any other subject besides sexuality, attraction to other subject matter or style, learned behavior as the cause of attraction is not controversial at all.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I agree and I have said "I believe" attraction it is learned behavior. If you have a masters in psy, you know it's a valid theory. If applied to any other subject besides sexuality, attraction to other subject matter or style, learned behavior as the cause of attraction is not controversial at all.
    I thought this was a discussion about sexual orientation, of course attraction can be learned behavior. Sexual orientation is not the same thing.
    Didn't say it was an invalid theory, just that it isn't proven.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I thought this was a discussion about sexual orientation, of course attraction can be learned behavior. Sexual orientation is not the same thing.
    Didn't say it was an invalid theory, just that it isn't proven.
    I was informed by others on the thread who said that homosexual behavior is a choice but the attraction is not. I replied attraction is learned behavior. the topic of sexuality inflames passions and causes some to reject certain ideas that do not fit their predetermined notions. I admit we don't know for sure.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I was informed by others on the thread who said that homosexual behavior is a choice but the attraction is not. I replied attraction is learned behavior. the topic of sexuality inflames passions and causes some to reject certain ideas that do not fit their predetermined notions. I admit we don't know for sure.
    Attraction is LEARNED? Surely you jest.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I thought this was a discussion about sexual orientation, of course attraction can be learned behavior. Sexual orientation is not the same thing.
    Didn't say it was an invalid theory, just that it isn't proven.
    I don't really know how attraction is or can be learned. It's kind of like "desire". Either it exists...or it doesn't. Attraction is still one of the great mysteries in human relationships. Don't know of anybody who as yet been able to figure out, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I was informed by others on the thread who said that homosexual behavior is a choice but the attraction is not. I replied attraction is learned behavior. the topic of sexuality inflames passions and causes some to reject certain ideas that do not fit their predetermined notions. I admit we don't know for sure.
    First off what is homosexual behavior? If you mean homosexual sex acts, than say that. Homosexual behavior can be anything. Sometimes behavior isn't a choice, sometimes it is instinctive. But a homosexual choosing to engage in a homosexual sex act is a choice. But for a homosexual to have an erection due to homoerotic simulation is a behavior that is not a choice its often an involuntary response. Voluntary behavior is voluntary, but involuntary behavior is not.

    Attraction may indeed and is often times a learned involuntary behavior. That says nothing of sexual orientation however and therefore says nothing about homosexual orientation being a learned behavior. You are talking about attraction.

    Address orientation, because i do accept that attraction can be learned.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm not familiar with these studies, How do the formulate their predictions?
    By guessing, based on the mannerisms they observe, if the kids in the study will end up gay and following up years later. Here is an article on just one, that combined predictions with attempts to make the kid "butch up."

    BOYHOOD EFFEMINANCY AND LATER HOMOSEXUALITY - NYTimes.com

    The reason i bring this up now is that's exactly what Imnukingfutz was saying, that there's one in every classroom just about, and all this pretty well refutes the idea of sexuality being a choice, or learned.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't really know how attraction is or can be learned. It's kind of like "desire". Either it exists...or it doesn't. Attraction is still one of the great mysteries in human relationships. Don't know of anybody who as yet been able to figure out, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
    Our notion of beauty is influenced by our perception of it. If you loved in a nation where fatty women with mustaches were thought to be beautiful than you would limey think that fatty women with mustaches were beautiful. It may not be a choice, but it comes from somewhere.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Our notion of beauty is influenced by our perception of it. If you loved in a nation where fatty women with mustaches were thought to be beautiful than you would limey think that fatty women with mustaches were beautiful. It may not be a choice, but it comes from somewhere.
    Therein lies the mystery of the mind. And while you are applying an environmental element...I still don't know if I can agree with that. The sizes of fat may differ and the shapes of mustaches my vary.

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