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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm not basing my "learned behavior theory on school lessons, although it's possible too. I'm basing it on neurological development with environment and attention impacting that development.
    There have been studies going back decades where researchers could predict whether a kid would end up gay, with high accuracy (about 75%), by age 6-7. So where is a kid that age "learning" to like people of either sex exclusively, when they aren't even attracted to anyone yet?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm not basing my "learned behavior theory on school lessons, although it's possible too. I'm basing it on neurological development with environment and attention impacting that development.
    Imnukingfutz brings up a very interesting point. If homosexuality is learned why is it only learned by a few people? In the case of siblings, let's say both siblings are boys why is it that if one is homosexual the other is not? If they learned it, from where did they learn it?

    This really plays more at a disposition than a learned behavior.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Imnukingfutz brings up a very interesting point. If homosexuality is learned why is it only learned by a few people? In the case of siblings, let's say both siblings are boys why is it that if one is homosexual the other is not? If they learned it, from where did they learn it?

    This really plays more at a disposition than a learned behavior.
    Why would one be more into sports and the other not, even if both are straight, or even both gay for that matter? Growing up in the same environment does not result in the same results for different siblings even when they are twins. The age difference could be a factor in the "learning". And I will stress what the originator of the thought in this thread said (can't remember off the top who it was): by being "learned" early on it's so ingrained that it's not a choice. That makes it a different factor than genetics or pre-birth disposition.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Why would one be more into sports and the other not, even if both are straight, or even both gay for that matter? Growing up in the same environment does not result in the same results for different siblings even when they are twins. The age difference could be a factor in the "learning". And I will stress what the originator of the thought in this thread said (can't remember off the top who it was): by being "learned" early on it's so ingrained that it's not a choice. That makes it a different factor than genetics or pre-birth disposition.
    How is it learned?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    How is it learned?
    Observation. There is much that we learn through our senses, especially in our early years, and we are not even conscious of it. We will know things and never ever remember "learning" it. Do you remember learning to walk? Even as adults, we take in input without realizing it that can affect out thoughts, idea, decisions and choices. If you want a better word than "learned", which might imply being taught to you, I'm open to suggestions. But hopefully I've gotten my concept across, yes? Not asking if you agree with it, just was it delivered clearly enough?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Observation. There is much that we learn through our senses, especially in our early years, and we are not even conscious of it. We will know things and never ever remember "learning" it. Do you remember learning to walk? Even as adults, we take in input without realizing it that can affect out thoughts, idea, decisions and choices. If you want a better word than "learned", which might imply being taught to you, I'm open to suggestions. But hopefully I've gotten my concept across, yes? Not asking if you agree with it, just was it delivered clearly enough?
    So two boys observe the same thing, one is gay and the other is not, what gives?

    Also what is observed to make him gay?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Imnukingfutz brings up a very interesting point. If homosexuality is learned why is it only learned by a few people? In the case of siblings, let's say both siblings are boys why is it that if one is homosexual the other is not? If they learned it, from where did they learn it?

    This really plays more at a disposition than a learned behavior.
    A disposition might also be learned. I will say up front that I believe there are all manner of predispositions, and I'm not sure any one knows for sure why some are predisposed to certain behaviors, but I do not believe all predispositions are immutable traits. With learned behavior the key is attention. Exposure isn't sufficient to strengthen neurological pathways, exposure plus attention is. With sexuality it's much tougher to expect that change in preference is possible, but the development of the preference one way or the other was strengthened and set with experience and attention.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    A disposition might also be learned. I will say up front that I believe there are all manner of predispositions, and I'm not sure any one knows for sure why some are predisposed to certain behaviors, but I do not believe all predispositions are immutable traits. With learned behavior the key is attention. Exposure isn't sufficient to strengthen neurological pathways, exposure plus attention is. With sexuality it's much tougher to expect that change in preference is possible, but the development of the preference one way or the other was strengthened and set with experience and attention.
    Do you have any proof?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    There have been studies going back decades where researchers could predict whether a kid would end up gay, with high accuracy (about 75%), by age 6-7. So where is a kid that age "learning" to like people of either sex exclusively, when they aren't even attracted to anyone yet?
    I'm not familiar with these studies, How do the formulate their predictions?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Do you have any proof?
    There are tons of psychology books that discuss this. Try a book with the psychology of learning as it's subject.

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