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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Ok. Before we have even discussed one such study let me point out the inconsistency that you have displayed. You are a social scientist who is familiar with studies on attraction as a learned behaviour, who absolutely deny that they exist. nice.

    I am hesitant to cite a particular because I anticipate that you will say it doesn't apply to sexual preference, and I'd agree that you'd have a valid argument to make as I didn't claim that specific of an argument either. You could also anticipate that I'd say with regard to sexual preference we just don't know for certain, but some principals of attraction are universally agreed on.

    So what do you make of studies on proximity and reciprocity, learned attraction??
    Universal traits are evidence of biological origins. How many cultures do you know where proximity and reciprocity are not attractive qualities? People have evolved to find traits that would promote offspring and their survival to be particularly attractive. How might proximity and reciprocity play a role in increasing offspring and their survival?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Wrong, There is anicdotial evidence that the numbers of homosexual experiences, especially among college women, has risen in those groups that are involved with gender studies and advocacy groups. Also any behaviorial trait can be learned.
    Behavior yes, attraction no. Try it yourself. Try to condition yourself to find something unattractive to be attractive.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Attraction is not a behavior
    Which is exactly why it can't be learned.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Which is exactly why it can't be learned.
    Which is irrelevant to whether or not the attraction can be chosen or not.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Wrong, There is anicdotial evidence that the numbers of homosexual experiences, especially among college women, has risen in those groups that are involved with gender studies and advocacy groups. Also any behaviorial trait can be learned.
    This could simply be because the taboos have been lifted.

    Homosexual experimentation is nothing new, it's been occurring for millennia it's just that now it isn't criminalized do people are capable of being honest without repercussion.

    it's not necessarily indoctrination, in fact it's likely liberation.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle.
    Oh, REALLY? Why don't you post these intentions. Oh... and do make sure they come from a reliable source, from a source that represents the general homosexual population, and one that clearly states that indoctrination is a goal... and while you're at it, show what exactly they are trying to indoctrinate kids into.

    This should be good.

    Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite
    their actual gender.
    Which is a stupid law... but is more about the transgendered, not gay, and is one law in one place.

    Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc.
    We see this with all minority groups. Nothing new.

    Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable.
    Not in the least. That's YOUR perception.

    Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction.
    Neither do I. But I do want public institutions to provide accurate information. And I do not care if that information violates some people's sensibilities.

    And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    Which has nothing to do with homosexuality.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle.
    Like this?

    Attack of the Gay Agenda! - - News - New York - Village Voice

    I'm so scared. /S

    Since when was transgendered = homosexuality?

    You are confusing topics.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Also, why does it matter if it's a choice or not?

    We do not discriminate based on religion and that by all measures is a choice.

    So why would we do so on homosexuality?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Like this?

    Attack of the Gay Agenda! - - News - New York - Village Voice

    I'm so scared. /S

    Since when was transgendered = homosexuality?

    You are confusing topics.
    You have to read other posts for context. you're misinterpreting what I've said.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Oh, REALLY? Why don't you post these intentions. Oh... and do make sure they come from a reliable source, from a source that represents the general homosexual population, and one that clearly states that indoctrination is a goal... and while you're at it, show what exactly they are trying to indoctrinate kids into.

    This should be good.
    No need, you have conceded that this is the case by saying this is "nothing new", in reference to the examples.



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is a stupid law... but is more about the transgendered, not gay, and is one law in one place.
    This makes my point. thank you



    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We see this with all minority groups. Nothing new.
    not all, some. Which show that someone draws a moral line between what should and shouldn't be in the schools. This makes my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not in the least. That's YOUR perception.
    yes it is


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Neither do I. But I do want public institutions to provide accurate information. And I do not care if that information violates some people's sensibilities.
    Wow. now this is one of the clearest statements of discriminatory thinking I have seen in this entire thread. And again makes my point

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which has nothing to do with homosexuality.
    exactly, but it serves to show your own moral lines exist.

    You probably didn't read this entire thread, but you should know that the whole advocacy within schools issue was brought up in the context of who should draw the moral lines and what should they be for the society at large, which produces societal norms. This came about because someone commented that religious people needed for HSex to be a choice in order to justify discrimination. My answer was to battle this false accusation and is consistent, each family should draw there own moral lines and public institutions should stay out of that business, because invariably someone will charge discrimination. Advocates on this site want governmental intrusion in this arena because they feel that they have been discriminated against and therefore welcome added protections, besides public institutional power is currently on there side. However as you have shown so unwittingly, that everyone has their own moral sensibilities and therefore society is open to divisions at every turn. Given this, where should governmental institutions draw their lines while maintaining equal protection? They cannot and should not. All this to say that a personal moral line is not equal to discrimination.
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