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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Seriously? You postulated that gays CAN choose to be gay or not, then when I stated they can't choose who they're attracted to, you replied with "Isn't exploration, by definition, a choice?"

    That means you think they're only gay if they choose to explore it, it doesn't matter who they're attracted to.

    Please try to keep up, I'm tired of you getting lost, especially on your own statements.
    No.

    What you said was:

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So they're exploring a new area of their life.
    Then I replied:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Isn't exploration, by definition, a choice?
    You're obviously getting lost, especially on your own statements, but not to worry! All you have to do is click the little blue arrow next to our names, you'll be taken to the quotes, and you can follow along with your own conversation.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    If you are a social scientist you are familiar with the studies on attraction, otherwise google it. Note: I am refering to studies on attraction as a general principal, not specific to sexual preference.
    I am familiar. That is why I am skeptical of your claims.

    Do you really use Google for your research?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am familiar. That is why I am skeptical of your claims.

    Do you really use Google for your research?
    Dear Mr. Familiar,
    Do you deny that there are conclusive studies on attraction that point to learned behavior as being the major factor?

    Your friend,
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Dear Mr. Familiar,
    Do you deny that there are conclusive studies on attraction that point to learned behavior as being the major factor?

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    googleboy
    I absolutely do but I would love to see your evidence.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    No.

    What you said was:



    Then I replied:



    You're obviously getting lost, especially on your own statements, but not to worry! All you have to do is click the little blue arrow next to our names, you'll be taken to the quotes, and you can follow along with your own conversation.
    Seeing as how you're having a hard tome expressing yourself, I'll ask you three simple questions:

    1) Can gays choose to be gay?
    2) Is it enough to be attracted to the same sex or do you have to act on it to be gay?
    3) Can humans choose who they are attracted to and who they're not?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Considering the extreme dopamine rush during orgasm, it's no surprise that the motivation for sex is more often for the physical pleasure than for actually making a baby, especially since the introduction of birth control_

    But Mother Nature doesn't care why we do it, as long as we're doing it_

    Regardless, we are all products of evolution and any variation from the design is considered a mistake of nature_

    Including those who are sexually attracted to anything other than the opposite sex of reproductive age and same species_
    "[ . . . ] is considered a mistake of nature_". You're forgetting that it's only you who consider it a mistake of nature. Well, some others, as well, but that doesn't make it a de facto truth. I've shown you earlier that it's more likely a byproduct of nature doing what it does: selecting beneficial traits.


    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Genetic mistakes are evolution's way of improving the species by allowing a beneficial mistake to contribute to the gene pool_

    And inconsequential mistakes die off making no genetic contribution to the species, which is what homosexuals do by design_

    So regardless of what triggers homosexuality or any other paraphilia, it is not natural to biological or psychological human evolution_
    But the evidence suggests that it is, because, while it carries with it an evolutionary cost, it's the byproduct of something that carries a greater evolutionary advantage. As long as it keeps being selected for, you can't presume that it's making no genetic contribution.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    indoctrinating sexual preferences
    You can't indoctrinate sexual preference. You can't teach people to be gay.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    It's not fear, It is simply advocacy that is in its wrong place. As a governmental institution, indoctrinating sexual preferences is institutional discrimination against those who religiously disagree.
    It's fear at some level. Either afraid the kid will turn gay (for the extremists), the kid doesn't have the mental capacity to disagree, or the kid will look at the two "indoctrination" attempts and not side with the parents. You'll have to excuse my flippant dismissal of claims to 'discrimination,' when in this same state only a few decades ago, it very nearly became law that all gay teachers or even those who support gays must be fired from public schools. *That's* discrimination and that's the religious agenda.

    Anyway there are private religious schools all over, as well as home schooling, so let's not act like the government is coming into the home and carrying the kid off to public school, where this is waiting for them:

    Tomboy - It's OK to be gay - YouTube
    Last edited by chromium; 09-19-13 at 07:41 PM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    We agree. I'd much rather stygmatize a biggoted Idiot than someone who has a sexual preference that is different than my own, let's just keep the fight in an open and free civil society and out of public institutions.
    I would like it out of public institutions, but frankly since we did such a piss poor job of managing the bigots within the public institutions we had to enact silly laws and rules to protect them.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    It's fear at some level. Either afraid the kid will turn gay (for the extremists), the kid doesn't have the mental capacity to disagree, or the kid will look at the two "indoctrination" attempts and not side with the parents. You'll have to excuse my flippant dismissal of claims to 'discrimination,' when in this same state only a few decades ago, it very nearly became law that all gay teachers or even those who support gays must be fired from public schools. *That's* discrimination and that's the religious agenda.

    Anyway there are private religious schools all over, as well as home schooling, so let's not act like the government is coming into the home and carrying the kid off to public school, where this is waiting for them:

    Tomboy - It's OK to be gay - YouTube
    How about we agree, and allow school choice vouchers then?
    Last edited by johndylan1; 09-20-13 at 09:53 AM.

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