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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Several people mentioned that environmental factors may be involved. So here's a hypothetical: A group of children are born and raised in a controlled environment, where absolutely no messages or hints or modeling of sexual behavior or romantic behavior occurs. No gender roles are modeled. Up until adolescence they are blank slates as far as those things. Puberty and curiosity hit. Exploring and normal sexual development. What will happen? hetero, homo or bi? Will it vary according to the individual kid?
    Based on human history, I think they would develop all three anyway. This does not disprove a genetic link, and it also does not disprove the possibility of social environment factors, since kids would develop their own social patterns if none were around to emulate.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Interesting experiment. It would be unethical of course. My guess... it will vary according to the individual.
    Then it must be genetics that is the cause of the variation, since environment was controlled for. Of course, we'd have to repeat this experiment many times to get dependable results? What if we don't get consistent results?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Good approach. My answer is yes. I could overcome the natural aversion, I could enjoy it, I may continue to do it. I have just chosen to be homosexual. Ah but not so fast. They will just call me a bisexual and nothing will have changed or been proven. Well, there must be a better way. Perhaps change the definitions?
    No, they would only call you bisexual if you continued to have sex with women as well. If you opted for the last part of my results "to the exclusion of sex with women" they would call you homosexual.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Then it must be genetics that is the cause of the variation, since environment was controlled for. Of course, we'd have to repeat this experiment many times to get dependable results? What if we don't get consistent results?
    My question is this. In your hypothetical experiment, are these children each alone, or are they socializing with each other. If it is the latter, then environment is not controlled. If it is the former, I don't think we'd get any results whatsoever. Since the children would have no knowledge of opposite sex or same sex... or gender at all and would have never experienced attraction, I don't think any results would be obtained.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No, they would only call you bisexual if you continued to have sex with women as well. If you opted for the last part of my results "to the exclusion of sex with women" they would call you homosexual.
    Ah. ok. But if I had been living as a heterosexual up until I changed, then because they cling to their beliefs, they will not count it so easily as a true change. They will say I was in the closet or a bisexual all along. Someone already said that to me in this thread, page 10-11. -Rather than entertain the idea that orientation is changeable.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    My question is this. In your hypothetical experiment, are these children each alone, or are they socializing with each other. If it is the latter, then environment is not controlled. If it is the former, I don't think we'd get any results whatsoever. Since the children would have no knowledge of opposite sex or same sex... or gender at all and would have never experienced attraction, I don't think any results would be obtained.
    Socializing with each other. It's still controlled b/c the kids aren't giving/receiving sexual messages/examples from/to each other or anyone else. Normal human sexual development still occurs. Pubic hair, breasts, wet dreams (now That's interesting!) and hormones. Controlling for the lack of messages/models of sexual behavior shuld Not inhibit the kids' sexual development, right?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Ah. ok. But if I had been living as a heterosexual up until I changed, then because they cling to their beliefs, they will not count it so easily as a true change. They will say I was in the closet or a bisexual all along. Someone already said that to me in this thread, page 10-11.
    I was only addressing this as a hypothetical, attempting to view it as someone who believes it is a choice (even though I do not). People who are absolutely convinced it is not a choice would say you were always a closet case. I'm a little more open-minded simply because I do not know for sure between choice or non-choice, but I am indifferent because either way I find the activity perfectly acceptable.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Based on human history, I think they would develop all three anyway. This does not disprove a genetic link, and it also does not disprove the possibility of social environment factors, since kids would develop their own social patterns if none were around to emulate.
    Exactly. What social patterns would they develop is the question.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySquid View Post
    Socializing with each other. It's still controlled b/c the kids aren't giving/receiving sexual messages/examples from/to each other or anyone else. Normal human sexual development still occurs. Pubic hair, breasts, wet dreams (now That's interesting!) and hormones. Controlling for the lack of messages/models of sexual behavior shuld Not inhibit the kids' sexual development, right?
    The fact that they see other kids... and see how other kids react sexually may be an influence. If you have kids interacting with other kids, you cannot completely control for environment... though you could get somewhat close.
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