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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I can't say enough how I understand your point, but at the same time that courts and politicians have allowed advocacy for non traditional sexual groups to become institutional forces with in the school they also have pruned away the religious advocacy, even removing the ability for student led prayer before football games if the PA system is used. Let's remove it all, teach the three r's and let families decide how to morally train their children.
    Sorry, I don't know what sexual group has become an institutional force. The fact that it's only about sex with you has means you don't really understand.
    Sorry that nobody has stood up for students rights to prey.

    The three r's aren't enough. Because you need history, social studies, and science.

    I was never an advocate of schools teaching morality.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Answered this before... but. There are currently no studies that definitively conclude that attraction is biological or genetic. There are however several studies that do conclude that attraction is learned behavior.
    Sorry John, but that is an absolutely ridiculous statement_

    Sexual attraction is most definitely a psycho/bio-logical function designed by evolution to motivate a species to procreate_

    Although homosexuality can be learned in situations where people have no access to the opposite sex such as long prison sentences_

    But most wouldn't consider this true homosexuality but rather desperate measures much the same as cannibalism by starving people_

    To address directly the Idea of a natural (uncontrollable) attraction to the same sex, and how learned behavior can coexist. I would say that reproduction is not the base instinct, but sex is. Most if not all will have a base instinct to engage in sexual activity, but that is not limited to a particular object or set of objects of sexual interest. Those interests are developed, and I would suggest they become entrenched within the psyche at times of rapid neurological development and subsequent neurological pruning, leaving one feeling as if it is their natural state. Neurological development and plasticity is a very interesting topic with regard to human behavior, and this is the core of learned behavior.
    Considering the extreme dopamine rush during orgasm, it's no surprise that the motivation for sex is more often for the physical pleasure than for actually making a baby, especially since the introduction of birth control_

    But Mother Nature doesn't care why we do it, as long as we're doing it_

    Regardless, we are all products of evolution and any variation from the design is considered a mistake of nature_

    Including those who are sexually attracted to anything other than the opposite sex of reproductive age and same species_

    ie, any sexual attraction to animals, children or the same sex is the result of either a genetic or psychological abnormality_

    Genetic mistakes are evolution's way of improving the species by allowing a beneficial mistake to contribute to the gene pool_

    And inconsequential mistakes die off making no genetic contribution to the species, which is what homosexuals do by design_

    So regardless of what triggers homosexuality or any other paraphilia, it is not natural to biological or psychological human evolution_
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    There are however several studies that do conclude that attraction is learned behavior.
    Can you post them? I am a social scientist by trade and I am always terribly disappointed when people make these kinds of claims but then don't back them up.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    Interesting. Do you oppose the opposite? Do you oppose public institutions promoting the view that homosexuality is abnormal and morally unacceptable?

    Also, why are you conflating the issues of trangenderism with homosexuality? They are completely different topics. While I respect transgender rights issues and gay rights issues, I am not sure why people from both sides feel the need to combine the two.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm not saying I'm weary of gay folks, I'm weary of people denying that there is an institutionalized agenda. In addition, You are making my point. Let society learn by experience and freedom of association, not by public institutional indoctrination.
    What, an agenda to have equal rights? Guilty as charged! You can't legislate morals. That's been obvious since prohibition if not before. The *only* reason there is some blurb about Harvey Milk or whatever in california school books is because the "freedom of association" made it possible, if not desirable to literally every parent. Shockingly, that's not the law in mississippi and it will not be until gays are actually respected there, in 2412 or whatever. So all this fear of the 'gay agenda', which has more accurately become an *american* agenda, seems quite irrational.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    Seriously, these issues didn't just "pop up".

    Laws and rules usually do not come out of nowhere.

    Look at the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Who would have thought you would have to tell people that it is a crime to single out an individual because he was gay and torture and murder him?

    The torture and murder of Matthew Shepard was one in a long line of cruelties inflicted on members of the gay community.

    So perhaps you should aim your indignation at the bigots - but over the years, too many people went silent. Now we have laws and rules to protect people who shouldn't need protecting - except for the fact that bigots had been allowed to do their thing for so long everybody kinda took a blind eye to the behaviors

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Also, why are you conflating the issues of trangenderism with homosexuality? They are completely different topics. While I respect transgender rights issues and gay rights issues, I am not sure why people from both sides feel the need to combine the two.
    Because in the end they are all really the same issue. The rights of the individual to be considered equal before the law when compared to the other individuals. It doesn't matter whether it's the right to marry the other individual you want, or the right to bed whomever you want, or to engage in commerce with whomever you want, or whatever. In the end, "gay rights", "transexual rights", "interracial rights", "black rights"....they are all the same.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What, an agenda to have equal rights? Guilty as charged! You can't legislate morals. That's been obvious since prohibition if not before. The *only* reason there is some blurb about Harvey Milk or whatever in california school books is because the "freedom of association" made it possible, if not desirable to literally every parent. Shockingly, that's not the law in mississippi and it will not be until gays are actually respected there, in 2412 or whatever. So all this fear of the 'gay agenda', which has more accurately become an *american* agenda, seems quite irrational.
    It's not fear, It is simply advocacy that is in its wrong place. As a governmental institution, indoctrinating sexual preferences is institutional discrimination against those who religiously disagree.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There's no poll.

    But no, homosexuality isn't a choice. Gays can't just flip over to the other side anymore than a straight person can make himself gay.
    But they do. Frequently too.

    The leading candidate for mayor New York has a "former" lesbian as a wife.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. Do you oppose the opposite? Do you oppose public institutions promoting the view that homosexuality is abnormal and morally unacceptable?

    Also, why are you conflating the issues of trangenderism with homosexuality? They are completely different topics. While I respect transgender rights issues and gay rights issues, I am not sure why people from both sides feel the need to combine the two.
    1. yes I do oppose the opposite, sex ed in public institutions should be about anatomy, reproductive functionality, and health (physical science) not preferences (behavioral / social science).

    I conflate to show that these agenda's have no business in school. Let me explain: What else should we or shouldn't we add to the list? Once you answer, you have drawn your own moral line. I follows that you become subject to the charge of discrimination by what ever agenda is on the otherside of your line... if that agenda gains institutional support, you then have the power of governmental force steamrolling toward your sense of morality.

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