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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Providing information on homosexuality is not teaching values any more than teaching information about Christianity is teaching values.
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    If you're weary of it, maybe you should get with the times. There hardly needs to be a 'gay agenda' for teenagers in California to talk about and become aware of this stuff on their own. They *definitely* are going to do so. Most probably even have gay friends and/or have friends with gay parents and have been around that for years. Nor does there need to be an 'agenda' for homosexuality to be normalized. It already is! Do you really expect to be taken seriously with this "gay agenda" crap when a clear majority supports gay rights?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    Sort of like how we indoctrinated and normalized the interracial lifestyle?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    First off it isn't indoctrination to learn about the advancements made for the equality of homosexuals, we study the advancements made by black people to further their equality.

    It isn't indoctrination for kids to understand what homosexuality is, it already is part of history. They aren't telling your kids that they should be gay, just that it is wrong to discriminate against others who are. Just like they teach that it is wrong to discriminate against muslims Jews and catholics, a women, black people and so on.

    Homosexuals don't live a different lifestyle than heterosexuals. I for one, an a home owner, I go fishing in my leisure, I take my boy to school and Evan picks him up. Homosexuals aren't any different than heterosexuals.

    The idea that there is a difference is the basis for the prejudice, teaching that the difference doesn't really effect the person's lifestyle or ability to participate in society.

    It is exactly the misconceptions that you have posted here that must be unlearned. At one time the nation thought that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    I don't mean any disrespect toward you, but you are voicing your bias, it isn't wrong to be biased all people are to some degree, but with the amount of people that share your bias which makes it easier for you to believe things that aren't necessarily true about homosexuals, lends to the discrimination against them.

    The only way to make it to where we aren't ruled by biases is to learn about the people we are biased against. You can certainly keep your biases, Lord knows I have them, but I had to address mine and not let them cloud my judgment. Specifically because I am in law enforcement. I don't think it's to much for people to address their biases and hopefully not let their judgment be clouded.

    Your concerns about transgenderisum are very valid. But the solution isn't as easy as boys go in the boys room and girls go in the girls room. What if you saw a 13 year old with long hair, make up on a blue blouse and a plaid skirt on walk into the girls bathroom? Would you know of that kid is a boy or a girl? Isn't it a worse violation of our rights to ask that child to prove it?

    Don't get me wrong, I understand the discomfort with transgendered people, but it's a very difficult problem to address. It isn't as simple as boys wear boys clothing, there really isn't such a thing any more, I see many teenaged girls when dropping my son off at school, that wear boys clothing, and the boys are wearing what were considered girls clothing in my youth.

    It's really a more difficult problem than it seems at first.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think that is the first statement about gays you've posted that I agree with.

    The topics about sexuality in relation to gays are so polluted with loyalty to one set of slogans or the other - as simplistic of slogans as people can chant - has made intelligent discussion all but impossible.

    Yes, MOST people now agree that humans are no different than fruit flies in establishing their relationships that include sex. I'm not one of those people.
    And that is the reason I try to discuss this phenomenon on a scientific level rather than a moral, religious or emotional one_
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I really am growing weary with this. Advocates for the gay agenda have publicly stated their intentions with regard to the indoctrination and normalization of the gay lifestyle. Hell in California the just put forward a law that allows trans-gendered kids to choose which restroom they feel best fits their self gender identification, despite their actual gender. Text books must by law include historical achievements of homosexual figures described as such. By law text book contents must have information and review from advocacy groups including homosexual advocates, femenist advocates, etc. Now this may be sold as equal treatment, but it is a clear moral agenda that seeks to normalize homosexuality as morally acceptable. Now here's where you have to understand my point of view, I don't want public institutions involved in family business in either direction. And while I would have some sympathy, I damn sure don't want a confused little boy in the restroom with anyone's daughter.
    I wonder if it ever dawns on anyone that the reason that these rules and laws get put into place are because people (many who are devoutly religious) go out of their way to harass and demean the LGBT group.

    Do you think these rules or laws would exixt if the LGBT individual was just treated like ***gasp*** just another human being?

    What folks call "the gay agenda" is just counteracting a bigoted agenda by some people - many who seem to think GOd is at their side.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I wonder if it ever dawns on anyone that the reason that these rules and laws get put into place are because people (many who are devoutly religious) go out of their way to harass and demean the LGBT group.

    Do you think these rules or laws would exixt if the LGBT individual was just treated like ***gasp*** just another human being?

    What folks call "the gay agenda" is just counteracting a bigoted agenda by some people - many who seem to think GOd is at their side.
    My post was in response to some that claim that there is no gay agenda nor an institutional bias that supports the sexual values of non traditional groups. I don't have bias, I want to equally bar public institutions from promoting sexual morals from either perspective. Round and round we go I say I don't want institutional advocacy others accuse me of discrimination, I say I don't want discrimination others say there is no bias so why worry.... round and round, I getting dizzy in this thread.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    First off it isn't indoctrination to learn about the advancements made for the equality of homosexuals, we study the advancements made by black people to further their equality.

    It isn't indoctrination for kids to understand what homosexuality is, it already is part of history. They aren't telling your kids that they should be gay, just that it is wrong to discriminate against others who are. Just like they teach that it is wrong to discriminate against muslims Jews and catholics, a women, black people and so on.

    Homosexuals don't live a different lifestyle than heterosexuals. I for one, an a home owner, I go fishing in my leisure, I take my boy to school and Evan picks him up. Homosexuals aren't any different than heterosexuals.

    The idea that there is a difference is the basis for the prejudice, teaching that the difference doesn't really effect the person's lifestyle or ability to participate in society.

    It is exactly the misconceptions that you have posted here that must be unlearned. At one time the nation thought that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    I don't mean any disrespect toward you, but you are voicing your bias, it isn't wrong to be biased all people are to some degree, but with the amount of people that share your bias which makes it easier for you to believe things that aren't necessarily true about homosexuals, lends to the discrimination against them.

    The only way to make it to where we aren't ruled by biases is to learn about the people we are biased against. You can certainly keep your biases, Lord knows I have them, but I had to address mine and not let them cloud my judgment. Specifically because I am in law enforcement. I don't think it's to much for people to address their biases and hopefully not let their judgment be clouded.

    Your concerns about transgenderisum are very valid. But the solution isn't as easy as boys go in the boys room and girls go in the girls room. What if you saw a 13 year old with long hair, make up on a blue blouse and a plaid skirt on walk into the girls bathroom? Would you know of that kid is a boy or a girl? Isn't it a worse violation of our rights to ask that child to prove it?

    Don't get me wrong, I understand the discomfort with transgendered people, but it's a very difficult problem to address. It isn't as simple as boys wear boys clothing, there really isn't such a thing any more, I see many teenaged girls when dropping my son off at school, that wear boys clothing, and the boys are wearing what were considered girls clothing in my youth.

    It's really a more difficult problem than it seems at first.
    I can't say enough how I understand your point, but at the same time that courts and politicians have allowed advocacy for non traditional sexual groups to become institutional forces with in the school they also have pruned away the religious advocacy, even removing the ability for student led prayer before football games if the PA system is used. Let's remove it all, teach the three r's and let families decide how to morally train their children.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    If you're weary of it, maybe you should get with the times. There hardly needs to be a 'gay agenda' for teenagers in California to talk about and become aware of this stuff on their own. They *definitely* are going to do so. Most probably even have gay friends and/or have friends with gay parents and have been around that for years. Nor does there need to be an 'agenda' for homosexuality to be normalized. It already is! Do you really expect to be taken seriously with this "gay agenda" crap when a clear majority supports gay rights?
    I'm not saying I'm weary of gay folks, I'm weary of people denying that there is an institutionalized agenda. In addition, You are making my point. Let society learn by experience and freedom of association, not by public institutional indoctrination.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    My post was in response to some that claim that there is no gay agenda nor an institutional bias that supports the sexual values of non traditional groups. I don't have bias, I want to equally bar public institutions from promoting sexual morals from either perspective. Round and round we go I say I don't want institutional advocacy others accuse me of discrimination, I say I don't want discrimination others say there is no bias so why worry.... round and round, I getting dizzy in this thread.
    I didn't accuse you specifically of discrimination. I accuse the bigoted self righteous assholes who feel the need to discriminate against and act abhorrently and often violently against gay people. That in turn causes people to actually make crappy laws and regulations because otherwise nobody else will step up to the plate.

    It reminds me of Affirmative Action laws.

    Should they have been necessary? HELL NO! But were minorities getting a fair shake in this country? Bigger HELL NO. Did the civil rights movement stop bigoted idiots from doing their best to their best to assure minorities never got a fair shake? Even bigger HELL NO.

    So while we are busy blaming our lawmakers and our government about stupid ass laws...perhaps we should be blaming the bigoted idiots that do their best to make sure anyone who is not like them is traumatized either physically, emotionally, or financially.

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