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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Yes absolutely I would advocate for kids if they were Christan and that caused this kind of issue. Of course I would I am Christian myself. If parents tried to shame children fir being Christian I think a program in schools should exist to tell them that it is perfectly okay to be Christian. If Christian kids went through the same things, buddhist kids, handicapped kids, i don't care the aspect that is the focal point of this kind of chastising, the result would be very similar. If the tables were turned and straight kids or religious kids were this beaten down my opinions would not change, kids still need support that may come from a teacher telling them that its okay that there its nothing wrong with them, or other school children supporting them. Children need that no matter if they are gay, crippled, different, religious, non religious, or what ever they are.

    I agree parents should be in control of education. But sometimes they suck at it, that is okay we have schools filled with professionals that can teach what parents can't.

    All teachers are doing is saying that it is okay that they are gay. I dint see any indoctrination happening there, they aren't programming children to be gay, you can't, it doesn't work that way. If you think it does just go try sleeping with your gender a couple of times, of you like it than i guess you can be turned gay, if the very thought disgusts you them you have proven that people can't be talked into it.

    Nothing is going to happen to straight children except they won't think gay people are perverted and mentally messed up.. Now if you want them to think that, that is a problem. We don't live in a nation that is tolerant of that. If you don't want your kids to be gay,.i understand that, but you dint really have any say in that, you can't, unless we understand how homosexuality manifests itself there is no way you can possibly hope to prevent it.

    What do you hope to accomplish by continuing the wall of silence to these kids that desperately need anything but silence? Are you just uncomfortable with homosexuality (nit that there is anything wrong with being uncomfortable with it) do you think that they will turn your kids gay? of you find homosexuality immoral, than teach your kids that it is immoral, be careful though if you have a gay kid that might damage them.

    I just don't understand what is so wrong about it that all conversation must cease, even at the peril of children who are homosexuals. It isn't your personal morality, because we talk about eating pigs in classes with no consideration of Muslim and Jewish kids, we say that it is okay to consume bacon but.

    So your bidirectional statement in that regard is not the same. What is the difference between telling a class made up of kids that some may be Muslim, Jewish, or vegetarian that its okay to eat pork. And telling a class that may have straight kids in it that its okay to be gay.

    I Am even okay with teachers explaining that some religions are against homosexuality and that that is okay, those people will simply not practice it. Just like when I was in grade school and teachers taught me why Jews and muslims don't eat pork, they were a different religion and that is okay. Its immoral for Christians not to believe that Jesus is the Messiah but its okay to learn about Jewish and Muslim people, so what us the difference?
    So just because someone elses actions are immoral in you're religion didn't mean that your kids need to be sequestered from learning about it. Try your bidirectional arguments on yourself. What if we said the same thing about being Muslim that we say about being gay. its far more immoral in the Christian faith to follow a non Christian prophet and not accept Jesus as Lord than being gay. But its okay to say its okay to be Muslim or Jewish. Same thing with being gay. I don't see a difference.
    Ok so you gave your honest assessment, that's all I ask. We just disagree. Peace

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You can send them to church *and* public school and just let them come to their own conclusions, since they're certainly going to do that in the end anyway. No school that i know of has "Mock Christians Day." It frankly doesn't matter what they teach re: sexuality because the environment has changed to where the kids are going to talk about and deal with it anyway.

    The one thing i do insist on is that bullying and borderline criminal behavior is squashed. See, you can't differentiate between statement of policy and "advocacy." Telling them "Some people are gay and we don't tolerate harassment here" should not be debatable.
    I completely agree with you on your second paragraph. The rest we'll just have to disagree.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Do they mention morality at all in these classes? As far as I know, that's not a part of the discussion.
    I think yes, we just disagree

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I think yes, we just disagree
    Interesting. I didn't know they got into questions of morality on it. I haven't really thought through that (since I didn't know it was happening). I'll have to ponder it a bit.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Ok so you gave your honest assessment, that's all I ask. We just disagree. Peace
    So you think gay people should be shunned and told they are deviants?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    1. Just silly reasoning. Parents have protective rights over their minor children, there can be no force. Your description of "homosexual children" being forced is not what anyone would accept as truth. Let me restate, just because something happens doesn't make it a societal norm that deserves advocacy. Plenty of people choose to smoke and it was once considered hip, it deserved no public advocacy in our schools, now smoking is seen as a health risk and is not seen as hip and still deserves no advocacy. Homosexuality is abnormal by definition as it is well outside majority sexual preference (this is not a moral statement, it is a statistical statement).

    2. see previous answer, no amount of examples can remove human fallibility nor the danger in moral relativism.

    3. Any non traditional sexual orientation will do. You seem to want to have an arbitrary line drawn between acceptable and unacceptable sexual behavior based on your ever-changing standard of moral relativism. I am simply pointing out that this is inconsistent with the notion that if one is predisposed to any certain sexual orientation that makes it ok, as you argued with regard to homosexuality. In essence you started with one argument ie, predisposition insulates one from moral judgments and then when you draw a line of acceptable sexual behavior its then based on your sense of a moral society. Totally inconsistent, dishonest and smacks of advocacy at any cost.
    1. That doesn't allow a parent to psychologically harm a child, regardless of authoritative measures they have over said child. We have child abuse laws for this reason. While homosexuality is less of the population than heterosexuality that doesn't make it abnormal.

    2. Then you agree with religion being a control agent and not accurate reflection of moral behaviour.

    3. Actually no, not any non-traditional orientation will do. Homosexuality harms no one, literally. There is a line drawn that we as a society have recognized and with advancement in science and mental medical health we agree consent is required. Which is why we have laws against rape, coercion and etc into sexual acts. You disagreeing with it doesn't make it less of a law.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Nope. Not normal. Normal means usual, or typical.

    A handful of percent of the population being homosexual is not normal. It is a small, small minority. Just say'in.
    Its quite normal as it is a normal variance of the human sexual attraction. Green eyes are not a majority either, but that doesn't make them not normal.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Do they mention morality at all in these classes? As far as I know, that's not a part of the discussion.
    They don't really teach morality in these classed, more like mechanics of the process. And ways to protect against stds. It's necessary to learn these things regardless of morality.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    So you think gay people should be shunned and told they are deviants?
    no I do not. But that's me, if someone else wants to do the shunning of me or you that's their business, I can't and do not want to control others.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    1. That doesn't allow a parent to psychologically harm a child, regardless of authoritative measures they have over said child. We have child abuse laws for this reason. While homosexuality is less of the population than heterosexuality that doesn't make it abnormal.

    2. Then you agree with religion being a control agent and not accurate reflection of moral behaviour.

    3. Actually no, not any non-traditional orientation will do. Homosexuality harms no one, literally. There is a line drawn that we as a society have recognized and with advancement in science and mental medical health we agree consent is required. Which is why we have laws against rape, coercion and etc into sexual acts. You disagreeing with it doesn't make it less of a law.


    Its quite normal as it is a normal variance of the human sexual attraction. Green eyes are not a majority either, but that doesn't make them not normal.
    We'll just have to disagree and let our posts speak for themselves, thanks for your thoughts.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some women are gay too though, so that could mean less women for you.
    I agree, but there still can be more gay men then lesbians.


    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Soooo, let me understand. So if your male and "attracted" to males, but you have sex only with females who your not attracted to, you are hetero?
    No I guess you would still be gay and your acts would be hetero.

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