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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    That's great. I'm with you there.



    Wait. What? Do you mean to force public opposition to moral lines you disagree with? If so, then this directly contradicts the above point. No one's saying that the government should advocate for gayness, only that it's not allowed to advocate against it. The government simply doesn't have any place in the discussion. Each individual should make his own mind up about what is or isn't right or wrong. If you want the public (the government) to advocate in favor of your personal moral code, then you lose your freedom to draw your own moral lines.

    If that's not what you mean, then what do you mean to avoid public advocacy for other moral lines you disagree with?
    Yea the do. Schools are government agencies, they require sex ed with homosexual studies. By law you must send your kids to school. If you cannot afford private ed, you are in that class.

    Another example you might think about would be requiring kids to take Christian religion class in public school. I am not advocating, I'm comparing the Idea of how institutional power has approved one set of moral judgments and removed another.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I understand that also, you always want the best for your kids, but sometimes your kids are gay and the things you teach them about sexual morality will damage them.
    My folks taught me that homosexuality was wrong and i was sheltered from it, the end result was about two decades of depression and abuse of alcohol. That is the only reason they talk about it atty schools. You can't imagine hire alone you feel, some kids can't take it and they commit suicide. I was strong enough, sometimes I believe by pure miracle. But others aren't. So I think its good to address it in school. How much difference that would have made for me, done of those kids that weren't strong enough. Just think about how hard your teen years were. Thinking about girls constantly as all teenaged boys do, now replace that with thinking about boys and knowing you can't date them and that nobody will ever understand and the guilt you feel because when you go home your folks tell you its a choice and people that choose it are perverts. You were told you're feelings for girls were natural and all boys feel that way, imagine being told that you are perverted and a sicko for feeling those natural feelings.

    That is what gay teens go through. I think its okay that we consider them. What I think is immoral is to tell these kids to deal with it themselves and nobody cares.

    I have been around gay groups that are really catty, its irritating and frankly a bit uncomfortable to me. I have hunting and fishing buddies, come on, i am a guy. they were my buddies from high school, they were friends from before I was out and it bumpy but they helped me through it. I normally hang out with straight guys, its not at all uncomfortable to me. Sexuality is such a small part of who I am.
    Bidirectional thinking: Within your own post Replace the references to "gay" or "homosexua"l etc. with the word "Christian" and any reference to "Sex ed" ,etc. with "religion class", and tell me if you would feel the same way about another protected right. This will determine if this is an emotional appeal based on advocacy or if it is a well thought out and consistent principal for kids of all types. Please give it an honest review. I would propound that families not government agencies should maintain control over certain aspects of their own child's education.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    I always find it amusing when people project like they do.

    People who react with phobic hysteria to homosexuality calling OTHER people emotional? What a hoot.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    If you really want people to care so much about 'sheltering' your kids, then you're going to have to offer *something* helpful to the kids who are gay, cause they will then have no outlet and no one to speak for them. Aside from that, everything you just described with your boss is exactly why 'sheltering' them is pointless. Some day they'll have to grow up and realize some people are gay, and they'll just have to deal with it. Only they've been kept ignorant of it so long that god knows how they'll react. In reality though, they're going to find out. They have an internet connection? They have a gay friend, or god forbid are gay themselves? Sounds like you're better off taking the kids to Russia.
    No, I have a responsibility to inform my kids about moral judgments. I have the responsibility to determine when and to what degree I will speak to them about sexual preferences. In context with all my posts, "shelter" doesn't mean ignoring the issue, it means that the governmental institutions should not impose an indoctrination of equivalency between all sex preferences. Preferences should be left to families to deal with. The helpful thing that I offer is to allow each family to deal with it on their own terms. And to your point that one day they will grow up and have to deal with it... Some things are best left to grown ups. Sexualizing young children is a disaster for society, and quite repulsive. Before you send me off to Russia, Explain to me why Christianity and religion Classes are not taught in schools and why that is different in principal.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    No, I have a responsibility to inform my kids about moral judgments. I have the responsibility to determine when and to what degree I will speak to them about sexual preferences. In context with all my posts, "shelter" doesn't mean ignoring the issue, it means that the governmental institutions should not impose an indoctrination of equivalency between all sex preferences. Preferences should be left to families to deal with. The helpful thing that I offer is to allow each family to deal with it on their own terms. And to your point that one day they will grow up and have to deal with it... Some things are best left to grown ups. Sexualizing young children is a disaster for society, and quite repulsive. Before you send me off to Russia, Explain to me why Christianity and religion Classes are not taught in schools and why that is different in principal.
    Sexualizing children?

    I guess if there was time in public schools...there could be one class devoted to the Muslim religion, one class on Judaism, on class on Christianity, one class on Hinduism, and the list goes on....and by the end of the school day kids will know all about religions, but won't be able to count their finger and toes out loud.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well, that's homophobic futility for ya. Acceptance keeps going up with each generation, so clearly an awful lot of parents are failing to instill their 'values' and paranoia.
    Way off base. Family values can run either way, remember this discussion is in context with bidirectional thinking about issues and consistent principals vs advocacy. Many of you have taken the opportunity to show your true position which is one of advocacy. I would find it perfectly acceptable for families to teach their children acceptance and inclusion of sexual preferences. I also find it acceptable for families to teach their children about sexual immorality. I do not however support governmental indoctrination with respect to sexual morality. I find it acceptable for families to teach their children about Jesus Christ. I find it also acceptable for families to teach their children atheism. I do not, however, find it acceptable for governmental agencies to indoctrinate children about religious values. It's a matter of personal liberty in raising one own children with the moral education that is appropriate for each family.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Sexualizing children?

    I guess if there was time in public schools...there could be one class devoted to the Muslim religion, one class on Judaism, on class on Christianity, one class on Hinduism, and the list goes on....and by the end of the school day kids will know all about religions, but won't be able to count their finger and toes out loud.
    So you haven't said why its different in principal. Only a straw man of impracticality. Substitute the religions you mentioned various sexual preferences and you'll see the weakness of that argument. It actually makes the point that the schools have become places of advocacy. There is not time to teach everything so they have chosen those things deemed most valuable. This shows that the public school system has determined that religion is not valuable, homosexuality is.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    So you haven't said why its different in principal. Only a straw man of impracticality. Substitute the religions you mentioned various sexual preferences and you'll see the weakness of that argument. It actually makes the point that the schools have become places of advocacy. There is not time to teach everything so they have chosen those things deemed most valuable. This shows that the public school system has determined that religion is not valuable, homosexuality is.
    Maybe we should ask our Gay posters if they chose homosexuality as an alternative life style!!

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I always find it amusing when people project like they do.

    People who react with phobic hysteria to homosexuality calling OTHER people emotional? What a hoot.
    Did you test your consistency or did you only take the time to mock? Wait I'll answer that for you, you didn't test, you chose to ignore honest debate and decided to mock. This makes my point you are a dishonest advocate not principled.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Maybe we should ask our Gay posters if they chose homosexuality as an alternative life style!!
    Because that has no bearing on the discussion at this point.

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