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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    By "liberty to avoid public advocacy for others moral lines that I (you) disagree with" do you mean you wish to be free of others advocating a morality that may be different from yours, our even opposite of yours?

    And by statement about bi-directional perspective, you think that someone would agree with you.

    I am sorry there isn't enough context here to have a conclusion and i prefer not to jump to any.

    One example: I'm thinking of the push, especially in California schools, to advocate for moral equivalence between all sexual choices. This type of advocacy has nothing to do with education and has everything to do with indoctrinating children and normalization of non traditional behaviors. If one wants to engage in that behavior its not my business but don't bring your sense of sexual morality in my child's' school.

    By bidirectional thinking I mean this: If you teach your children at home that homosexual behavior is equivalent to heterosexual behavior; and institutional advocates force your child to sit in a classroom where they are taught that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing, you would probably rather that preference was removed from the classroom. Just as a parent that teaches in the other direction that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing wants the school not to contradict their moral judgment by teaching sexual preference equivalence.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    One example: I'm thinking of the push, especially in California schools, to advocate for moral equivalence between all sexual choices. This type of advocacy has nothing to do with education and has everything to do with indoctrinating children and normalization of non traditional behaviors. If one wants to engage in that behavior its not my business but don't bring your sense of sexual morality in my child's' school.

    By bidirectional thinking I mean this: If you teach your children at home that homosexual behavior is equivalent to heterosexual behavior; and institutional advocates force your child to sit in a classroom where they are taught that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing, you would probably rather that preference was removed from the classroom. Just as a parent that teaches in the other direction that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing wants the school not to contradict their moral judgment by teaching sexual preference equivalence.
    This is a sticky issue as it can be taught from an informational standpoint that homosexuality and heterosexuality are equivalent. For example, why do most heterosexuals want to get married? Love and commitment. Why do most homosexuals want to get married? Love and commitment. Reporting this equivalency is information, not morality. Assigning a value to it could be.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    My point... is... quite simple. To correct the poster who said it is "normal". Nothing more... nothing less.

    Homosexuality is not... "normal". Heterosexuality is "normal."

    Just say'in.
    I am just trying to understand your response to me.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I am just trying to understand your response to me.
    I think it was clear. Nothing more to add.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a sticky issue as it can be taught from an informational standpoint that homosexuality and heterosexuality are equivalent. For example, why do most heterosexuals want to get married? Love and commitment. Why do most homosexuals want to get married? Love and commitment. Reporting this equivalency is information, not morality. Assigning a value to it could be.
    I don't think school should be there to make a value judgment on homosexual behavior if they're going to teach about it in sex ed.

    What they need to do is speak facts. Such as, and correct me if I'm wrong... but I recall hearing this from an MD... the male-male side of the equation.

    The anus isn't designed for a penis. The angle is not ideally suited for one, and the tissue when compared to a vagina makes HIV risk much greater; hence the greater risk of homosexual males contracting HIV than heterosexuals, which explains why HIV/AIDS ravaged the homosexual community. The risk I recall was 600 times greater. Homosexual males tend to have more health problems than heterosexual males as well. Now, if this isn't 100% accurate folks... correct it, but don't take offense, which brings me to a repetition of my original point...

    The straight scoop need be taught, the good, bad and ugly. That's education... spare the kids the promotion or moral judgments.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I don't think school should be there to make a value judgment on homosexual behavior if they're going to teach about it in sex ed.
    I can agree with this.

    What they need to do is speak facts. Such as, and correct me if I'm wrong... but I recall hearing this from an MD... the male-male side of the equation.

    The anus isn't designed for a penis. The angle is not ideally suited for one, and the tissue when compared to a vagina makes HIV risk much greater; hence the greater risk of homosexual males contracting HIV than heterosexuals. The risk I do believe was 600 times greater. Homosexual males tend to have more health problems than heterosexual males as well. Now, if this isn't 100% accurate folks... correct it, but don't take offense, which brings me to a repetition of my original point...

    The straight scoop need be taught, the good, bad and ugly. That's education... spare the kids the promotion or moral judgments.
    Anal sex can create more health problems than penile-vaginal sex, such as tearing and potential HIV contraction. This is what should be taught... however, remember that heterosexuals perform anal sex, also, and are subjected to the same health risks. ONLY mentioning it in context of homosexuality is a value judgment. It is also accurate that HIV is at a higher risk for people who participate in risky sexual behaviors. This pertains to heterosexuals and homosexuals. ONLY mentioning it in context of homosexuality is a value judgment. It is true that homosexuals are at greater risk for contraction of HIV, but that is due to many homosexuals engaging in risky sexual behavior (not using condoms, primarily). This is a reflection of some of culture, not of homosexuality itself. Stating that it is due to homosexuality is a value judgment. This is certainly a complex area, but just reporting the facts is not too hard if you know what they are.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I can agree with this.



    Anal sex can create more health problems than penile-vaginal sex, such as tearing and potential HIV contraction. This is what should be taught... however, remember that heterosexuals perform anal sex, also, and are subjected to the same health risks. ONLY mentioning it in context of homosexuality is a value judgment. It is also accurate that HIV is at a higher risk for people who participate in risky sexual behaviors. This pertains to heterosexuals and homosexuals. ONLY mentioning it in context of homosexuality is a value judgment. It is true that homosexuals are at greater risk for contraction of HIV, but that is due to many homosexuals engaging in risky sexual behavior (not using condoms, primarily). This is a reflection of some of culture, not of homosexuality itself. Stating that it is due to homosexuality is a value judgment. This is certainly a complex area, but just reporting the facts is not too hard if you know what they are.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Well... how's them apples... there's agreement.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    One example: I'm thinking of the push, especially in California schools, to advocate for moral equivalence between all sexual choices. This type of advocacy has nothing to do with education and has everything to do with indoctrinating children and normalization of non traditional behaviors. If one wants to engage in that behavior its not my business but don't bring your sense of sexual morality in my child's' school.
    I understand why they talk about it in schools, first sex ed is part of the curriculum, that should include homosexual sex being that it is part of human sexuality.

    I think it has plenty to do with education. It really had little to do with morality. Traditional values aren't necessarily correct values either. Of you don't want your kid hearing that if they were gay it wouldn't be a bad thing, home school them.
    By bidirectional thinking I mean this: If you teach your children at home that homosexual behavior is equivalent to heterosexual behavior; and institutional advocates force your child to sit in a classroom where they are taught that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing, you would probably rather that preference was removed from the classroom. Just as a parent that teaches in the other direction that heterosexual behavior is the only acceptable thing wants the school not to contradict their moral judgment by teaching sexual preference equivalence.
    Your bidirectional thinking is flawed. No school would ever teach that homosexuality is the only correct sexuality. No such thing happens. what you are saying would be the equivalent of me saying just that, that schools should teach that only one sexuality is proper. You are advocating that, you don't want homosexuality brought up.

    If it was the other way around you would understand. If schools really said that homosexuality was the only correct sexuality then you would have a complaint. Your values are your business and if you want your kid to think gay people are not okay, our that they are bad our what ever you are afraid the schools are going to tell them about homosexuality. That is your business.

    The schools teach that discrimination of things like race, gender, ethnicity, economic background, and yes now sexual orientation is wrong, they always have, that is one of their purposes.

    Some people are really poorly educated about gay people and it leads to bizarre notions, discrimination and even in some instances violence. Every kid ought to know that we don't know that homosexuality is a desired, "lifestyle", that lifestyle doesn't really have anything to do with sexual orientation, that is one of the things that needs to be corrected. That perhaps we need to examine the tradition and see if it indeed serves a purpose. If the tradition's result is harm to society in the form of persecution of those that are something that they cannot help being. Of schools don't teach kids to question this "tradition" what are they for? If we didn't question tradition the United states would still be an English colony. After all royal subjects don't traditionally defy their king. How about civil rights movement, in the fifties black people weren't traditionally equal to wrought people. Prior to the womens suffrage act, women didn't traditionally vote.

    I am starting to think some traditions have a strong negative impact on our society. Wouldn't you want your kids to have the courage to stand up and buck tradition if it was harmful? Why is your tradition any different than those that thought that women shouldn't vote or that the Jewish religion should not be practiced?

    I Don't know why your values deserve any special consideration, certainly nobody is forcing you to give them up, you don't have to enroll your kids in public school, there are plenty of other options, so I fail to see the force. After all parents are their childrens teachers, if you are being forced to teach something you don't approve of, perhaps you should evaluate your fortitude. I certainly wouldn't stand for it. I do have a son and I would die for him, so nobody forces me to teach things i disapprove of. I have gone to his school and fought for him.

    Perhaps conservatives wouldn't be loosing the world if they fought for it. To hell with what people think. Do you honestly think the advocates of pro-homosexual indoctrination care if you think they are racists, homophobes, or what not? I guarantee you they don't. Their cause makes them righteous in their quest. Whether you believe they are righteous or not is irrelevant to them.

    If you want your school back, take it back.

    But dude I am a fag so I don't really care about your values, the fact that they are traditional makes me care less. I don't see that your rights are getting dismissed, frankly from my vantage you have no clue what that feels like. So many of the rights I enjoy were paid for with blood. And there was a time that those rights didn't exist and the men and women that gave everything for me to enjoy those rights are not quickly forgotten. I will fight with all of my life and energy to keep them and to push for more. Liberty is taken, not requested. We didn't ask the British, for independence, women didn't ask men for suffrage and blacks didn't all whites for civil liberty. It was taken by force, those that took it deserve it

    There will always be people that want more, Jessy Jackson comes to mind, its up to the populous to say okay, that is enough you are equal now. I guarantee gays will never stop until they are are allowed to marry and be considered equal in couple status to heterosexual couples. The place to start is the schools. If your values were that solid they wouldn't need defending with something as lame as, "they are traditional". You are worried your kids will not continue the tradition. But you are not even willing to fight a pathetic public school, trust me they are weak weak weak adversaries. What makes you think you can win this by talking on dp?

    I am not trying to be rude, just real.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I think it was clear. Nothing more to add.

    Cheers.
    You really made no point, so your statement was really not very clear at all. I don't know why you are getting defensive. I agreed with you that homosexuality was not the normal or usual thing.

    Then you said that it is not normal, i don't know why you did that. I really dint know why you stated that is was clear

    You told me "good try though" this had left me with am obviously unclear conclusion of your statement.

    I agreed with you, than you said "good try" as though my "try" in agreement with you was not good enough.

    So its perfectly unclear what you were getting at.
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