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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Sex is not always a voluntary act.

    Did you ever hear of rape?
    Sure I have. That has nothing to do with the point being made unless you believe that every instance of homosexual sex involves rape. Not brilliant.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Sure I have.
    That has nothing to do with the point being made unless you believe that every instance of homosexual sex involves rape
    . Not brilliant.



    Did I say that? No, I did not.

    You are trying to put your words in my mouth. I don't play that game.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I don't think he is talking about a sex act, more an attraction.
    Answered this before... but. There are currently no studies that definitively conclude that attraction is biological or genetic. There are however several studies that do conclude that attraction is learned behavior.

    To address directly the Idea of a natural (uncontrollable) attraction to the same sex, and how learned behavior can coexist. I would say that reproduction is not the base instinct, but sex is. Most if not all will have a base instinct to engage in sexual activity, but that is not limited to a particular object or set of objects of sexual interest. Those interests are developed, and I would suggest they become entrenched within the psyche at times of rapid neurological development and subsequent neurological pruning, leaving one feeling as if it is their natural state. Neurological development and plasticity is a very interesting topic with regard to human behavior, and this is the core of learned behavior.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Did I say that? No, I did not.

    You are trying to put your words in my mouth. I don't play that game.
    Why on earth would you introduce rape into the discussion if you weren't playing games? Voluntary behavior is a statement about an affirmative action by an individual, and has nothing to do with the subject of that action.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Why on earth would you introduce rape into the discussion if you weren't playing games? Voluntary behavior is a statement about an affirmative action by an individual, and has nothing to do with the subject of that action.



    I don't have time to play games with you. Take a hike, bye.

    Have a nice day, but don't include me in your plans.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 09-14-13 at 11:01 AM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't have time to play games with you. Take a hike.
    Good response.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Not sure why it matters if it is or isn't a choice.
    It matters to fundi's because if it's not a choice then it's not a moral question. They need it to be a moral question so they can rationalize their hatred for homos. People with weak and fragile egos need someone to be superior to, and if homosexuality isn't a moral fault, then they have to find a new out-group to replace them.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    It matters to fundi's because if it's not a choice then it's not a moral question. They need it to be a moral question so they can rationalize their hatred for homos. People with weak and fragile egos need someone to be superior to, and if homosexuality isn't a moral fault, then they have to find a new out-group to replace them.
    OR instead of hatred.... we could actually care about truth, societal values, and the culture in which we live and raise our children.
    1. Opposing opinions are not equal to hate.
    2. Moral fault and voluntary action (choice) is not the same thing.
    3. Are all sexual predilections equally ok and beyond choice, or is it just the behavior that is being advocated for as being the new norm?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    OR instead of hatred.... we could actually care about truth, societal values, and the culture in which we live and raise our children.
    1. Opposing opinions are not equal to hate.
    2. Moral fault and voluntary action (choice) is not the same thing.
    3. Are all sexual predilections equally ok and beyond choice, or is it just the behavior that is being advocated for as being the new norm?
    1. They are when you purposefully want to change someone for something that cannot be changed.
    2. There is nothing immoral about homosexuality other than certain out dated control devices, ie religion
    3. No not all are ok, we as a society have deemed consensual sexual choices as favourable and the laws of the land reflect this.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    1. They are when you purposefully want to change someone for something that cannot be changed.
    2. There is nothing immoral about homosexuality other than certain out dated control devices, ie religion
    3. No not all are ok, we as a society have deemed consensual sexual choices as favourable and the laws of the land reflect this.
    1. I see no advocacy groups that try to change homosexuals against their will. I do, however, see groups that do not want homosexual values imposed upon them via public institutions such as schools.
    2. Morality to the nonreligious is relative, but to the religious it is not. Fortunately freedom of religion is enshrined in our constitution and is practiced by a large majority that does not view it as outdated nor as a control device.
    3. If the decision on what is acceptable sexual behavior is based on societal norms as you have stated, and not on how one is born or predisposed, then you have agreed with those who say it is a moral choice.
    Last edited by johndylan1; 09-14-13 at 01:33 PM.

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