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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Well of course it is___all Politically Incorrect realities appear "stupid" to liberals_
    No, stupid is stupid. You hide it behind claims of political correctness. But any intelligent person knows it was just stupid.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets see

    homosexuals have been around for ages
    As have zoophiles, pedophiles and necrophiles, just to name a few_

    However "been around for ages" doesn't qualify a paraphilia as normal_

    Sparta for example

    they are still here
    Societal acceptance of an 'abnormality' does not negate the evolutionary biology which defines 'normal'_

    logic dictates its a normal variation of human behavior
    Wrong; it is nature which dictates "normal behavior"; human or otherwise__and that is pure logic!

    Desperately wanting something to be true does not alter its reality, except in the mind_

    IMO many homosexuals are aware that being sexually attracted to the same gender is not normal_

    But they're afraid that admitting this would be detrimental to their dream of being accepted, therefore their policy has been to convince society that homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality_

    The only problem is, this tactic insults the intelligence of even the most average everyday normal people_

    Rather than trying to convince society to accept them as normal, try convincing it to accept them despite it_

    I am personally willing to acknowledge homosexual equality, providing society isn't expected to accept the myths and lies being touted as justification and especially not to pass them onto children_

    Promoting lies as truth and myths as reality is the policy of Political Correctness to influence gullible fools_
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    gullible fools_
    You mean like all those thoughtless individuals who think there is something wrong with homosexuality for no other reason than they have been indoctrinated to think it so?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You mean like all those thoughtless individuals who think there is something wrong with homosexuality for no other reason than they have been indoctrinated to think it so?
    Nope; I pretty much meant exactly what I said_
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Just like the media does, a lot of people want to make all questions as simplistic as possible - yes or no.

    Accordingly, the poll is flawed and, in my opinion, just asking people whether or not they are currently politically correct about homosexuality.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    People are "gay" - which of itself has many different meanings and applications - because it is in their dna, OR because of conditioning, OR because of opportunity, OR because of trauma, OR because they do not place sexuality and/gender as a vetoing determination for a relationship, OR many other reasons.

    Personally, I do not accept that people are totally animalistic in terms of sexuality and romantic/relationship attraction, which is the claim that everyone is either born straight or born gay. Personally, I think most people are born bisexually promiscuous and conditioning factors largely then prevent being so later in life.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Wrong; it is nature which dictates "normal behavior"; human or otherwise__and that is pure logic!

    Desperately wanting something to be true does not alter its reality, except in the mind_
    True enough in and of itself, but man's interpertation and understanding of that "normal" does not necessarily reflect the reality. For many millenium, man thought that the sun moved around the earth and that the earth was flat. This was normal and the nature made it. But they were wrong. The irony of your arguement here is that it can be applied both ways. Nature dictates "normal behavior". Nature can well be dictating that homosexuality is normal, albeit not normative. Desperately waning something to be true does not altr its reality. Desperately wanting homosexuality to not be normal does not alter the reality of it being normal.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    True enough in and of itself, but man's interpertation and understanding of that "normal" does not necessarily reflect the reality.
    We are in total agreement here; although I suspect you did not intend us to be???

    For many millenium, man thought that the sun moved around the earth and that the earth was flat. This was normal and the nature made it. But they were wrong.
    That's because ancient people had no concept of the earth being anything but stationary because their bodies detected no indication of physical movement_

    All their reasoning about the world beneath them and the heavens above were based solely on the only tools they had to reason with, which were their five senses_

    And it remained that way until people got smarter and began to question their beliefs and began a more in-depth study of the universe using new tools beyond their five senses_

    For several centuries these beliefs were dictated by the Catholic Church according to its religious doctrine, much the same as Political Correctness now dictates what is okay to believe, write and say_

    The irony of your arguement here is that it can be applied both ways. Nature dictates "normal behavior". Nature can well be dictating that homosexuality is normal, albeit not normative. Desperately waning something to be true does not altr its reality. Desperately wanting homosexuality to not be normal does not alter the reality of it being normal.
    And I'll agree, if nature ever reveals a necessary or even beneficial homosexual contribution to the species_

    Nature regularly makes mistakes and if it's a good mistake then it survives and contributes to the gene-pool_

    Homosexuals contribute nothing to the gene pool__they're born, they live, they die; they're inconsequential_

    Sex is a biological function of evolution for the purpose of reproduction and continuation of a species_

    A sexual attraction between a male and a female of child bearing age and same species is required_

    All sexual attractions other than that is a biological abnormality, most likely due to a psychological disorder_

    In case you hadn't noticed, I've been basing "normal" on scientific, evolutionary and biological realities_

    Reality doesn't care what you or I want, it is what nature and evolution has perfected over millions of years_

    And regardless how badly we want that reality to conform to our good intentions, it simply isn't going to comply_

    Gay Pride is of no importance to me one way or the other therefore these are cold hard facts not homophobia_
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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    We are in total agreement here; although I suspect you did not intend us to be???
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    We're not.

    It saddens me to read this type of ignorance in this age. But just a few things:

    1) normal is a meaningless term. Affairs can be said to be normal because they happen with enough frequency to be a norm. Not sure we want to do any thing because its the norm.

    2) it is natural as it happens in nature. So, you can't go too far down that rabbit hole either.

    3) Homosexuals just don't make up a large enough part of the population to fear us not making babies. Suggesting other wise is illogical enough to reference more than one fallacy.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality A Choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    This isn't about whether one is for or against gay marriage.....

    Simply vote and discuss whether you believe that homosexuals have a choice in the matter, or were simply born that way, with no choice whatsoever.

    Please be courteous - thanks in advance.
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