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SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

Does the Full Faith and Credit Clause mean that an Anti-SSM state must recognize a SS

  • Yes, it is unconstitutional for a state to withhold recognition of a SSM as per the FFaC clause

    Votes: 16 53.3%

  • No, it is not unconstitutional for a state to withhold recognition of a SSM as per the FFaC clause

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • Other/Don't know

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • Total voters
    30
ernst barkmann said:
1.)all i get from your post is, and i get this a lot, .........we have to do this becuase our society must grow, and we have to have laws which promote that growth, and create fairness and equity for the people, and for the public welfare.

2.)sorry that does not cut it, the constitution is clear, and most of the federal government activates are unconstitutional, and in doing unconstitutional acts, it is infringing on the rights of the people.

example of government action which is unconstitutional:

3.)can federal government own land......... not according to the Constitution all land purchased must be with the approval of the state in question, and the land must be use for a federal structure.

4.)can government enter on to state or private land..no... not according to the constitution unless.......piracy, counterfeiting or treason is being performed.. .......and that the only reason

5.)it does not take a long to to read the constitution its a simple read, now the federalist papers there is a hard read, ..but once you read it, it opens your mind to what the founders really created, and its not what we are currently living under.
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1.) have to do what? what specifically about equal rights for gays are you talking about?
2.) again what are you talking about, im discussing SSM
3.) nothing to do with SSM
4.) nothing to do with SSM
5.) thanks for that meaningless info to my discussion

again seems you need your own thread to discuss those other topics and deflections, im sure you do get what ever you get a lot when you post because typically people stay on topic.
 
ernst barkmann said:
why do you as a person, say to me " you cant teach me your faith", but the secular crowd, says, but "i can teach you homosexual relationships, with are an affront to you faith"..
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Because your religion is not accepted by religious and non-religious people with other beliefs and can not be proven to be true, while the existence of gay people is an actual observable fact.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) have to do what? what specifically about equal rights for gays are you talking about?
2.) again what are you talking about, im discussing SSM
3.) nothing to do with SSM
4.) nothing to do with SSM
5.) thanks for that meaningless info to my discussion

again seems you need your own thread to discuss those other topics and deflections, im sure you do get what ever you get a lot when you post because typically people stay on topic.
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you say government is not infringing on rights, and i said they were.

and i gave example of unconstitutional activity and with unconstitutional activity comes infringement of rights for everyone.

question can government use homosexuals tax money to make anti gay propaganda...?

can government teach that all religions are false and for the weak minded?

why do you believe government has the authority to take money from people and use it against them?
 
ernst barkmann said:
1.)you say government is not infringing on rights, and i said they were.

2.) and i gave example of unconstitutional activity and with unconstitutional activity comes infringement of rights for everyone.

3.) question can government use homosexuals tax money to make anti gay propaganda...?

4.)can government teach that all religions are false and for the weak minded?

5.)why do you believe government has the authority to take money from people and use it against them?
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1.) nope never said this, i said they are not inregards to SSM if its nationally granted. i have no idea what you are referring too be specific and stay on topic
2.) yes you gave me your opinion of things that have nothing to do with SSM, which is meaningless to me and the topic
3.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
4.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
5.) who said i did?

are you actually reading what is being posted or are you just making up stuff in your head. Its seems the argument you want to have isnt actually happening.


heres how your posts are coming off
I say i like fruits and you come back and say i cant believe you are racists against vegetables and you think stores shouldn't sell them why do you hate candy and pepsi?

i have no clue what you are talking about, the topic is SSM.
 
Hard Truth said:
Because your religion is a fantasy that can not be proven or observed and the existence of gay people is an actual observable fact.
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can government teach a religion to your child in school.......no
can government teach a life style to my child which is an affront to my religion...no

why is it you believe you can shield your child from the ideas of my religion, ...........but my religion cannot be shielded from your ideas which you wish to teach my child?
 
AGENT J said:
1.) nope never said this, i said they are not inregards to SSM if its nationally granted. i have no idea what you are referring too be specific and stay on topic
2.) yes you gave me your opinion of things that have nothing to do with SSM, which is meaningless to me and the topic
3.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
4.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
5.) who said i did?

are you actually reading what is being posted or are you just making up stuff in your head. Its seems the argument you want to have isnt actually happening.


heres how your posts are coming off
I say i like fruits and you come back and say i cant believe you are racists against vegetables and you think stores shouldn't sell them why do you hate candy and pepsi?

i have no clue what you are talking about, the topic is SSM.
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i have already given you a position on SSM and whys its unlawful for government to do what they are doing,
 
ernst barkmann said:
can government teach a religion to your child in school.......no
can government teach a life style to my child which is an affront to my religion...no

why is it you believe you can shield your child from the ideas of my religion, ...........but my religion cannot be shielded from your ideas which you wish to teach my child?
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Yes government can teach things that are an affront to religion.

Satanists might not want their kid to learn kindness but so what.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i agree, but why does government create more laws around marriage and those relationships, every state which has made SSM legal, create more things concerning it.
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Sorry I'm not following. What do you mean "create more things concerning it" ?
 
ernst barkmann said:
i have already given you a position on SSM and whys its unlawful for government to do what they are doing,
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no you gave me your opinion of some things you think that happen and none of them relate to SSM nor where they unlawful.

if you disagree please say what they are again because the examples in post 75 were complete failures

1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate
 
captainawesome said:
Yes government can teach things that are an affront to religion.

Satanists might not want their kid to learn kindness but so what.
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really how?

how can government take my tax money and use it against me.

can government take conservatives or liberals money, and make anti conservative or anti-liberal propaganda....no

can it take people of faiths money and make anti religious works, no it has no authority

one thing governments dont have .........is any social duties involving the personal life's of the people..none.

although you all believe the what government has created over the last 150 to be legal it not according to our constitutions.

why dont people read their constitution and what the founders say about it?
 
AGENT J said:
no you gave me your opinion of some things you think that happen and none of them relate to SSM nor where they unlawful.

if you disagree please say what they are again because the examples in post 75 were complete failures

1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate
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then i will ask you simply.......WHERE IS THE POWER .....AS YOU SAY TO APPLY FORCE..........ITS NOT IN THE LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION AT ALL!
 
ernst barkmann said:
really how?

how can government take my tax money and use it against me.

can government take conservatives or liberals money, and make anti conservative or anti-liberal propaganda....no

can it take people of faiths money and make anti religious works, no it has no authority

one thing governments dont have .........is any social duties involving the personal life's of the people..none.

although you all believe the what government has created over the last 150 to be legal it not according to our constitutions.

why dont people read their constitution and what the founders say about it?
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Satanists may teach their children that rape cures aids, but a school will tell them the truth with the their tax money. I am fine with that.
 
captainawesome said:
Satanists may teach their children that rape cures aids, but a school will tell them the truth with the their tax money. I am fine with that.
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government is not in the business of morality or faith, or into the personal lifes of the people......the authority is not there
 
Lakryte said:
Sorry I'm not following. What do you mean "create more things concerning it" ?
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well, after Mass pass a law making SSM legal then also CA, i was not long before they introduced SSM relationships into the schools above the objections of parents.

to which those parents stated, if you going to teach such a thing to students, then we have a right to object and have our tax money back, so we can chose another school for our children.

to which the states said ...no ...your child will go to this school and we will teach your child whatever we wish to teach........this is unconstitutional

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ernst barkmann said:
then i will ask you simply.......WHERE IS THE POWER .....AS YOU SAY TO APPLY FORCE..........ITS NOT IN THE LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION AT ALL!
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translation you have nothing, you are talking meaningless made up fantasy circles

what POWER are you talkgin about?

teaching that gays exists in school isnt a POWER, nor is it the government nor does it have anything to do withh SSM, you fail
i didnt say apply force, i quoted what YOU wrote lmao, what i said is the government protects peoples rights and doesnt allow you to discriminate against them unfairly and again this has nothgin to so with SSM.

are you sure you are in the right thread, you seem lost
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AGENT J said:
translation you have nothing, you are talking meaningless made up fantasy circles

what POWER are you talkgin about?

teaching that gays exists in school isnt a POWER, nor is it the government nor does it have anything to do withh SSM, you fail
i didnt say apply force, i quoted what YOU wrote lmao, what i said is the government protects peoples rights and doesnt allow you to discriminate against them unfairly and again this has nothgin to so with SSM.

are you sure you are in the right thread, you seem lost
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authority ......is what gives governments their power, where in constitutions does it delegate any power to government... into peoples personal life's, where does it give them power in areas of moral behavior, where does it give them authority to violate the property rights of the people.....it does not, property rights are rights unalienable to the people, how can government makes laws, which violate that right..... if no crime or health or safety issue is involved.

property rights are violated when government forces people do do things, even though no crime or health or safety issue is not part of the equation.

when you read constitutions it tells you in it, whats powers government has, and government has none of these powers of force.
 
ernst barkmann said:
authority ......is what gives governments their power, where in constitutions does it delegate any power to government... into peoples personal life's, where does it give them power in areas of moral behavior, where does it give them authority to violate the property rights of the people.....it does not, property rights are rights unalienable to the people, how can government makes laws, which violate that right..... if no crime or health or safety issue is involved.

property rights are violated when government forces people do do things, even though no crime or health or safety issue is not part of the equation.

when you read constitutions it tells you in it, whats powers government has, and government has none of these powers of force.
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good grief again nothing here about SSM, when your down with strawmen and off topic hyperbolic rants let me know when you want to talk about SSM, why is it so hard for you
 
AGENT J said:
good grief again nothing here about SSM, when your down with strawmen and off topic hyperbolic rants let me know when you want to talk about SSM, why is it so hard for you
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did you not talk of power, and i explained power to you!

can you answer a question for me, where in your state constitution does it give government the authority or federal authority over a person, if he has committed no crime, of something which could be dangerous to other people.

can you supply that please to me.
 
ernst barkmann said:
did you not talk of power, and i explained power to you!
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no i was VERY specific i asked what power you were talking about with regards to teaching the reality in school that gays exists, that has nothign to do with government power or government in general or SSM

see things for further sheding light on my point. ONE thing is posted and you debate a million other things that are in your head and not in reality or part of the discussion
 
AGENT J said:
no i was VERY specific i asked what power you were talking about with regards to teaching the reality in school that gays exists, that has nothign to do with government power or government in general or SSM

see things for further sheding light on my point. ONE thing is posted and you debate a million other things that are in your head and not in reality or part of the discussion
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well you stated also government has not violated rights, and that false we know they have.

where does government have the authority to mandate you go to a school and then force you to learn things which are something your faith finds to be wrong?

where is goverment authority to dictate to a property owner of a business what he must pay and to who, where is that authority, under the constitution a person has rights, a government has powers, rights come before powers do, becuase government primary job is to secure rights....yet it rolls over them
 
ernst barkmann said:
1.)well you stated also government has not violated rights, and that false we know they have.

2.)where does government have the authority to mandate you go to a school and then force you to learn things which are something your faith finds to be wrong?

where is goverment authority to dictate to a property owner of a business what he must pay and to who, where is that authority, under the constitution a person has rights, a government has powers, rights come before powers do, becuase government primary job is to secure rights....yet it rolls over them
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1.) wrong again i stated they violated no rights with regards to SSM and the two examples you gave which is 100% true. I dindt say the government has never violated rights on any topic ever LOL because i simply stay on topic.

2.) government doesnt mandate you go to school nor do they force you to learn things your faith finds wrong.

but even if you believe this fallacy whats your solution? no schools? no education system?

3.) take this to another thread cause its meaningless here lol please stop the nonsensical meaningless hyperbolic off topic rantings because im not interested in made up arguments.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) wrong again i stated they violated no rights with regards to SSM and the two examples you gave which is 100% true. I dindt say the government has never violated rights on any topic ever LOL because i simply stay on topic.

2.) government doesnt mandate you go to school nor do they force you to learn things your faith finds wrong.

but even if you believe this fallacy whats your solution? no schools? no education system?

3.) take this to another thread cause its meaningless here lol please stop the nonsensical meaningless hyperbolic off topic rantings because im not interested in made up arguments.
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1) and government has already violated people rights after SSM WAS MADE LEGAL
2)sorry government does mandate your child go to school
3)no..... its not.... its the question i am asking you, where does government get the power of FORCE, which you yourself, say they will use on people.....
 
ernst barkmann said:
1) and government has already violated people rights after SSM WAS MADE LEGAL
2)sorry government does mandate your child go to school
3)no..... its not.... its the question i am asking you, where does government get the power of FORCE, which you yourself, say they will use on people.....
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1.) no they havent
2.) no they do not to either
3.) sigh never said it i quoted you and it doesn't apply to the topic
 
AGENT J said:
1.) no they havent
2.) no they do not to either
3.) sigh never said it i quoted you and it doesn't apply to the topic
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1)sure they have by violation of property rights, and force being applied to people, because they object to ideas which are an affront to their biblical teachings.

2)Education in the United States is mainly provided by the public sector, with control and funding coming from three levels: state, local, and federal, in that order.[4] Child education is compulsory, and there are also a large number and wide variety of higher education institutions throughout the country that one can choose to attend, both publicly and privately administered.
Education in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3)really? Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate

i asked you where the power to use force comes from...can you answer?
 
ernst barkmann said:
1)sure they have by violation of property rights, and force being applied to people, because they object to ideas which are an affront to their biblical teachings.

2)Education in the United States is mainly provided by the public sector, with control and funding coming from three levels: state, local, and federal, in that order.[4] Child education is compulsory, and there are also a large number and wide variety of higher education institutions throughout the country that one can choose to attend, both publicly and privately administered.
Education in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3)really? Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate

i asked you where the power to use force comes from...can you answer?
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1.) nope none of this has happened
2.) can i home school my kid? yes
does the government force her to believe homosexuality is moral? no

you are 100% factually wrong

3.) and i explained to you there is no government force there i wouted your made up fantasy those words were yours not mine lol

until you can show those things are happening they way you falsely claim they are not, keep trying, ill wait

does making stuff up and arguing things nobody said usually work for you? today its majorly failing
 
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