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Thread: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Religious people are forced to pay couples benefits regardless of same-sex marriage. I don't think anyone should be forced to pay benefits, regardless of whether they are religious or not, and regardless of the type of couple. Again, argue against the laws that are requiring such force, not same-sex marriage. My ideal scenario is one in which government is out of marriage altogether. Until then, the law must be applied equally.
    my friend i am not arguing against SSM marriage, i have no problem with that.

    people were asking me in the past, why people are against it?, and this is why, becuase of government force, it government would stop applying force to people, gay marriage would face little opposition as it does now.

    so its the force you and i dont like, which surrounds gay marriage which gives it its problem.

    this is why i believe government should not be involved in marriage in any shape or form.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my friend i am not arguing against SSM marriage, i have no problem with that.

    people were asking me in the past, why people are against it?, and this is why, becuase of government force, it government would stop applying force to people, gay marriage would face little opposition as it does now.

    so its the force you and i dont like, which surrounds gay marriage which gives it its problem.

    this is why i believe government should not be involved in marriage in any shape or form.
    Ok. I agree with the basic point that government involving itself in marriage is very problematic. If government never created an official marriage license, marriage between gays would not be an issue (aside from churches and the like). You don't like gay marriage? Who cares. You do? Who cares. It would all be in the control of individuals in society.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Ok. I agree with the basic point that government involving itself in marriage is very problematic. If government never created an official marriage license, marriage between gays would not be an issue (aside from churches and the like). You don't like gay marriage? Who cares. You do? Who cares. It would all be in the control of individuals in society.
    i am for individuals (rights) creating their own contract /marriage and only those individuals having power of the contract marriage, no government is to have any business, dictating or creating terms for others citizens..... because of that contract between those two.

    it all about individual rights for me.......who's property are we talking about.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am for individuals (rights) creating their own contract /marriage and only those individuals having power of the contract marriage, no government is to have any business, dictating or creating terms for others citizens..... because of that contract between those two.

    it all about individual rights for me.......who's property are we talking about.
    Agreed.

    Governments always want to make as many rules as possible...to control the masses as much as possible.

    But there is NO reason why they need to have ANY say in marriages.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    A few cases from my head, the US SSC has already ruled same sex marriage bans do NOT violate the federal Constitution, 1971.

    A state is not bound to honor the public policy of another state if it violates ther own public policy, Nevada v. Hall.

    Also see Louhgran v. Loughran.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Agreed.

    Governments always want to make as many rules as possible...to control the masses as much as possible.

    But there is NO reason why they need to have ANY say in marriages.
    correct government has no business denying equal rights and saying gays cant marry
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