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  • Yes, it is unconstitutional for a state to withhold recognition of a SSM as per the FFaC clause

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)well you stated also government has not violated rights, and that false we know they have.

    2.)where does government have the authority to mandate you go to a school and then force you to learn things which are something your faith finds to be wrong?

    where is goverment authority to dictate to a property owner of a business what he must pay and to who, where is that authority, under the constitution a person has rights, a government has powers, rights come before powers do, becuase government primary job is to secure rights....yet it rolls over them
    1.) wrong again i stated they violated no rights with regards to SSM and the two examples you gave which is 100% true. I dindt say the government has never violated rights on any topic ever LOL because i simply stay on topic.

    2.) government doesnt mandate you go to school nor do they force you to learn things your faith finds wrong.

    but even if you believe this fallacy whats your solution? no schools? no education system?

    3.) take this to another thread cause its meaningless here lol please stop the nonsensical meaningless hyperbolic off topic rantings because im not interested in made up arguments.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post

    1.) wrong again i stated they violated no rights with regards to SSM and the two examples you gave which is 100% true. I dindt say the government has never violated rights on any topic ever LOL because i simply stay on topic.

    2.) government doesnt mandate you go to school nor do they force you to learn things your faith finds wrong.

    but even if you believe this fallacy whats your solution? no schools? no education system?

    3.) take this to another thread cause its meaningless here lol please stop the nonsensical meaningless hyperbolic off topic rantings because im not interested in made up arguments.
    1) and government has already violated people rights after SSM WAS MADE LEGAL
    2)sorry government does mandate your child go to school
    3)no..... its not.... its the question i am asking you, where does government get the power of FORCE, which you yourself, say they will use on people.....

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1) and government has already violated people rights after SSM WAS MADE LEGAL
    2)sorry government does mandate your child go to school
    3)no..... its not.... its the question i am asking you, where does government get the power of FORCE, which you yourself, say they will use on people.....
    1.) no they havent
    2.) no they do not to either
    3.) sigh never said it i quoted you and it doesn't apply to the topic
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post

    1.) no they havent
    2.) no they do not to either
    3.) sigh never said it i quoted you and it doesn't apply to the topic
    1)sure they have by violation of property rights, and force being applied to people, because they object to ideas which are an affront to their biblical teachings.

    2)Education in the United States is mainly provided by the public sector, with control and funding coming from three levels: state, local, and federal, in that order.[4] Child education is compulsory, and there are also a large number and wide variety of higher education institutions throughout the country that one can choose to attend, both publicly and privately administered.
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    3)really? Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
    1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
    2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate

    i asked you where the power to use force comes from...can you answer?

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1)sure they have by violation of property rights, and force being applied to people, because they object to ideas which are an affront to their biblical teachings.

    2)Education in the United States is mainly provided by the public sector, with control and funding coming from three levels: state, local, and federal, in that order.[4] Child education is compulsory, and there are also a large number and wide variety of higher education institutions throughout the country that one can choose to attend, both publicly and privately administered.
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    3)really? Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
    1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
    2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate

    i asked you where the power to use force comes from...can you answer?
    1.) nope none of this has happened
    2.) can i home school my kid? yes
    does the government force her to believe homosexuality is moral? no

    you are 100% factually wrong

    3.) and i explained to you there is no government force there i wouted your made up fantasy those words were yours not mine lol

    until you can show those things are happening they way you falsely claim they are not, keep trying, ill wait

    does making stuff up and arguing things nobody said usually work for you? today its majorly failing
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can government teach a religion to your child in school.......no
    can government teach a life style to my child which is an affront to my religion...no

    why is it you believe you can shield your child from the ideas of my religion, ...........but my religion cannot be shielded from your ideas which you wish to teach my child?
    I don't support schools promoting any religious or political viewpoint. They don't need to teach about gay rights, except to address bullying issues and when it is relevant in social studies, history, biology or sex ed. They shouldn't promote a point of view, but they should present facts and answer questions truthfully.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Do you know how often FF&C is abused though? This is a drop in the bucket.

    The Constitution is still rife with legalized governmental abuse, ranging from FF&C to Eminent Domain and beyond. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles. I don't think SSM is one.
    And sometimes you have to draw the line, and sometimes it's easier to start small and build momentum.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well, after Mass pass a law making SSM legal then also CA, i was not long before they introduced SSM relationships into the schools above the objections of parents.

    to which those parents stated, if you going to teach such a thing to students, then we have a right to object and have our tax money back, so we can chose another school for our children.

    to which the states said ...no ...your child will go to this school and we will teach your child whatever we wish to teach........this is unconstitutional

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    Ok, but those laws are separate from laws legalizing same-sex marriage and don't necessarily follow. So that isn't a relevant argument against same-sex marriage.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Ok, but those laws are separate from laws legalizing same-sex marriage and don't necessarily follow. So that isn't a relevant argument against same-sex marriage.
    well let me try to clear things up.

    people are not afraid of SSM as many like to think, its not becuase of the people involved in that marriage, ---->people are afraid of the government afterwards , when SSM is made legal.

    why? becuase government every time, continues to make more laws and polices concerning SSM relationships.

    did you miss what Agent J posted..look at.....Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
    1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
    2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate



    this above is government force, and the government has no authority to force people to believe or contribute to such a .......contract as a marriage against there religious beliefs.

    you as a libertarian, should be opposed to any government force on people to make them do things, unless they have committed a crime, and there is no crime here.

    as a libertarian when i look at problems/ situations going on....... i always ask questions of myself on those problems / situations and they are.

    1 who's property are we talking about?
    2 does government have the authority to do what they are doing?



    liberals do ask these questions of themselves, they instead ask these.

    1 is it good for the people and the community?
    2 is it fair?

    these questions do not address the rights of individuals at all, becuase liberals do not believe in individual rights, they believe in group rights, or collective rights, which is not what america was founded on.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well let me try to clear things up.

    people are not afraid of SSM as many like to think, its not becuase of the people involved in that marriage, ---->people are afraid of the government afterwards , when SSM is made legal.

    why? becuase government every time, continues to make more laws and polices concerning SSM relationships.

    did you miss what Agent J posted..look at.....Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J
    1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
    2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate



    this above is government force, and the government has no authority to force people to believe or contribute to such a .......contract as a marriage against there religious beliefs.

    you as a libertarian, should be opposed to any government force on people to make them do things, unless they have committed a crime, and there is no crime here.

    as a libertarian when i look at problems/ situations going on....... i always ask questions of myself on those problems / situations and they are.

    1 who's property are we talking about?
    2 does government have the authority to do what they are doing?



    liberals do ask these questions of themselves, they instead ask these.

    1 is it good for the people and the community?
    2 is it fair?

    these questions do not address the rights of individuals at all, becuase liberals do not believe in individual rights, they believe in group rights, or collective rights, which is not what america was founded on.
    Religious people are forced to pay couples benefits regardless of same-sex marriage. I don't think anyone should be forced to pay benefits, regardless of whether they are religious or not, and regardless of the type of couple. Again, argue against the laws that are requiring such force, not same-sex marriage. My ideal scenario is one in which government is out of marriage altogether. Until then, the law must be applied equally.
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