View Poll Results: Does the Full Faith and Credit Clause mean that an Anti-SSM state must recognize a SS

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  • Yes, it is unconstitutional for a state to withhold recognition of a SSM as per the FFaC clause

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  • No, it is not unconstitutional for a state to withhold recognition of a SSM as per the FFaC clause

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)all i get from your post is, and i get this a lot, .........we have to do this becuase our society must grow, and we have to have laws which promote that growth, and create fairness and equity for the people, and for the public welfare.

    2.)sorry that does not cut it, the constitution is clear, and most of the federal government activates are unconstitutional, and in doing unconstitutional acts, it is infringing on the rights of the people.

    example of government action which is unconstitutional:

    3.)can federal government own land......... not according to the Constitution all land purchased must be with the approval of the state in question, and the land must be use for a federal structure.

    4.)can government enter on to state or private land..no... not according to the constitution unless.......piracy, counterfeiting or treason is being performed.. .......and that the only reason

    5.)it does not take a long to to read the constitution its a simple read, now the federalist papers there is a hard read, ..but once you read it, it opens your mind to what the founders really created, and its not what we are currently living under.
    1.) have to do what? what specifically about equal rights for gays are you talking about?
    2.) again what are you talking about, im discussing SSM
    3.) nothing to do with SSM
    4.) nothing to do with SSM
    5.) thanks for that meaningless info to my discussion

    again seems you need your own thread to discuss those other topics and deflections, im sure you do get what ever you get a lot when you post because typically people stay on topic.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    why do you as a person, say to me " you cant teach me your faith", but the secular crowd, says, but "i can teach you homosexual relationships, with are an affront to you faith"..
    Because your religion is not accepted by religious and non-religious people with other beliefs and can not be proven to be true, while the existence of gay people is an actual observable fact.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 06-29-13 at 04:27 PM.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) have to do what? what specifically about equal rights for gays are you talking about?
    2.) again what are you talking about, im discussing SSM
    3.) nothing to do with SSM
    4.) nothing to do with SSM
    5.) thanks for that meaningless info to my discussion

    again seems you need your own thread to discuss those other topics and deflections, im sure you do get what ever you get a lot when you post because typically people stay on topic.
    you say government is not infringing on rights, and i said they were.

    and i gave example of unconstitutional activity and with unconstitutional activity comes infringement of rights for everyone.

    question can government use homosexuals tax money to make anti gay propaganda...?

    can government teach that all religions are false and for the weak minded?

    why do you believe government has the authority to take money from people and use it against them?

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)you say government is not infringing on rights, and i said they were.

    2.) and i gave example of unconstitutional activity and with unconstitutional activity comes infringement of rights for everyone.

    3.) question can government use homosexuals tax money to make anti gay propaganda...?

    4.)can government teach that all religions are false and for the weak minded?

    5.)why do you believe government has the authority to take money from people and use it against them?
    1.) nope never said this, i said they are not inregards to SSM if its nationally granted. i have no idea what you are referring too be specific and stay on topic
    2.) yes you gave me your opinion of things that have nothing to do with SSM, which is meaningless to me and the topic
    3.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
    4.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
    5.) who said i did?

    are you actually reading what is being posted or are you just making up stuff in your head. Its seems the argument you want to have isnt actually happening.


    heres how your posts are coming off
    I say i like fruits and you come back and say i cant believe you are racists against vegetables and you think stores shouldn't sell them why do you hate candy and pepsi?

    i have no clue what you are talking about, the topic is SSM.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Because your religion is a fantasy that can not be proven or observed and the existence of gay people is an actual observable fact.

    can government teach a religion to your child in school.......no
    can government teach a life style to my child which is an affront to my religion...no

    why is it you believe you can shield your child from the ideas of my religion, ...........but my religion cannot be shielded from your ideas which you wish to teach my child?

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) nope never said this, i said they are not inregards to SSM if its nationally granted. i have no idea what you are referring too be specific and stay on topic
    2.) yes you gave me your opinion of things that have nothing to do with SSM, which is meaningless to me and the topic
    3.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
    4.) again nothing to do with SSM or anything i said and totally subjective
    5.) who said i did?

    are you actually reading what is being posted or are you just making up stuff in your head. Its seems the argument you want to have isnt actually happening.


    heres how your posts are coming off
    I say i like fruits and you come back and say i cant believe you are racists against vegetables and you think stores shouldn't sell them why do you hate candy and pepsi?

    i have no clue what you are talking about, the topic is SSM.
    i have already given you a position on SSM and whys its unlawful for government to do what they are doing,

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can government teach a religion to your child in school.......no
    can government teach a life style to my child which is an affront to my religion...no

    why is it you believe you can shield your child from the ideas of my religion, ...........but my religion cannot be shielded from your ideas which you wish to teach my child?
    Yes government can teach things that are an affront to religion.

    Satanists might not want their kid to learn kindness but so what.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i agree, but why does government create more laws around marriage and those relationships, every state which has made SSM legal, create more things concerning it.
    Sorry I'm not following. What do you mean "create more things concerning it" ?
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have already given you a position on SSM and whys its unlawful for government to do what they are doing,
    no you gave me your opinion of some things you think that happen and none of them relate to SSM nor where they unlawful.

    if you disagree please say what they are again because the examples in post 75 were complete failures

    1.) homosexual relationships will be taught in schools nothing to do with SSM, government or breaking the law
    2.) religious people if in business will be force to pay benefits to SS couples. This is true for all employees regardless of SSM and is government protecting rights. People cant unfairly discriminate
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Yes government can teach things that are an affront to religion.

    Satanists might not want their kid to learn kindness but so what.
    really how?

    how can government take my tax money and use it against me.

    can government take conservatives or liberals money, and make anti conservative or anti-liberal propaganda....no

    can it take people of faiths money and make anti religious works, no it has no authority

    one thing governments dont have .........is any social duties involving the personal life's of the people..none.

    although you all believe the what government has created over the last 150 to be legal it not according to our constitutions.

    why dont people read their constitution and what the founders say about it?

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