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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    are they going in to praise the lord, or leaving?
    they are going in I think. He fills up the old compac center 3 times per day. Those are just the English services.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    I lived in the Heights a few years ago near there. Now I live next to Lakewood. Man that Joel Osteen has a lot of followers.
    Yep. Enough to have a net worth of $40 million.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Enough to have a net worth of $40 million.
    His house in River Oaks is amazing even better than Tilman Fratitas.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because...... you declare marriage to be thus defined?
    Yup.....

    .....it's no one else's business when two consenting adults - who are not related - marry.

    Whether they are straight, bi, gay or a combination thereof...no one's business but theirs.


    Why, are you against SSM?
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)the question is why?

    2.)why do you as a person, say to me " you cant teach me your faith",
    3.) but the secular crowd, says, but "i can teach you homosexual relationships, with are an affront to you faith".
    4.) why does a business owner have to pay benefits to SS couples, were is the law, that says you can force people to do things against there will?
    5.) you who find it government would stop telling people what they must do, you would find little opposition to gay marriage.
    1.) that isnt a question at all theres a different between fantasy and reality
    2.) I dont say this at all, religion in schools is fine with me as long as its taught as region and its elective. Its never to be taught in science or mandatory.
    3.) not sure in what regard this is being TAUGHT but informing kids that gays, disabled people, blacks, whites, woman, old people, kids with only one parent is just common sense

    should we not teach people pork exists? or women are LEGAL equal because religions disagree??? of course not thats stupid

    also there are no new government laws making this happen just common sense

    4.) same reason you have to pay ANY employee and treat them fairly lol there is no force, if you cant treat people fairly and not infringe on their rights dont own a business. Your rights end when you infringe on others. This is just basics common sense.

    should i be allowed not to pay you just because you are black or a woman etc? would that be the government forcing me? thats just silly. The government protects rights

    5.) this isnt happening in reality, government is protecting EVERYBODY rights, the opposition is making stuff up and void of reality
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) that isnt a question at all theres a different between fantasy and reality
    2.) I dont say this at all, religion in schools is fine with me as long as its taught as region and its elective. Its never to be taught in science or mandatory.
    3.) not sure in what regard this is being TAUGHT but informing kids that gays, disabled people, blacks, whites, woman, old people, kids with only one parent is just common sense

    should we not teach people pork exists? or women are LEGAL equal because religions disagree??? of course not thats stupid

    also there are no new government laws making this happen just common sense

    4.) same reason you have to pay ANY employee and treat them fairly lol there is no force, if you cant treat people fairly and not infringe on their rights dont own a business. Your rights end when you infringe on others. This is just basics common sense.

    should i be allowed not to pay you just because you are black or a woman etc? would that be the government forcing me? thats just silly. The government protects rights

    5.) this isnt happening in reality, government is protecting EVERYBODY rights, the opposition is making stuff up and void of reality

    as of Jan 1st 2013 the federal government created 80,000, new pages of federal regulation.

    1) well my question has many of the times to do when i post is" where does government get the authority to do these things.......authority is derived from a constitution, and i dont see the authority in those documents to do the many things they are doing, be it state or federal.

    2)but we have people would dont want religion taught is school , and i am fine with that, however i dont want people who are against religion being taught, push for things being taught that are hostile or an affront to people of faith, remember that those people are tax payers to, and no citizen should have his tax money used against him.

    3)tell me if my child is taught by the church and reaffirmed by me, that homosexuality is wrong in our family, and then i send my child off to school were they teach that those type of relationships are perfectly good and moral, is that not a confusing and a contradiction to my child? i am not asking the school to teach what i believe for my family, but i find it strange that people believe they can teach me their beliefs of sexual relationships and act as though i cannot object to it, or that i cannot have my tax money back so my child can be schooled by an institution of my choice then.

    4)i am not against people being treated fairly, however being a christian means certain things, the bible tells Christians, that if you support a sin, through your words ,deeds or money then you are guilty of the sin also. government uses force to make people do things, and as i have said many times, WHERE does this power of force come from? becuase no such power is in constitutions of states of the federal one, to make people do things becuase government just wants people to be moral, government has authority only if you commit a crime, against a person, or if your actions could cause a health or safety issues to property or people. government was given no authority all to dictate to the people.
    many people site the 14th amendment to our constitution, and as i have stated many times, constitutions only applies to government to limit them...and limits them only ....by telling them they cannot discriminate and they must treat people equally under the laws they create., they do not limit people or businesses, business or people dont create law, only government does, so how are people or business suppose to treat people equally under the law, when they dont create such laws. we have gotten to the point that limits which that were to be applied to government is now applied to the people, and the founders did not create such a system of government or a nation based on that idea.

    5) they are not?, tell me where is the EPA, education, housing,immigration in the constitution?..there are no where the federal government has no authority in these areas, but government has use the EPA to bullying people over their property, do you really believe government does not violate the rights of the people, ..becuase that is exactly why constitution are created to prevent that, but government has violated the constitution , by creating laws which they were never given authority over. after reading federalist papers and the constitution, letters of the founders, and what they say they create in our government its very clear, government is totally outside the constitution, and is bullying people with laws, they have no authority to create. the constitution only gives to congress 18 duties, that's all, and they are clearly doing more than 18, as the founders say... anything outside its 18 enumerated duties is unconstitutional, and they are in doing that fringing on the rights of americans.

    most people want to listen to the constitution through their news, they dont want to read the constitution or the federalist papers which are a hard read, however the truth lies their its spelled out what the founders created, yet many American are ignorant of the basics of the founding principles of out nation and say, were are int he 21st century now, and we cant listen to that old document anymore, then they wonder why people feel they way they do about government and why america is in trouble, and its extremely sad...........people will not look, find and read truth, when it is available in books and online, they chose to remain in the dark.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    they should i dont deny it at all, however government does not get out of marriage their doing even deeper, with this issue.
    Well the way I see it, expanding marriage rights is more likely to end government marriage than denying them. Do you think if marriage was denied to same-sex couples, suggesting that the populace did not want to change marriage, Americans would agree to something as radical as getting rid of all marriage? I don't think so. It seems far more likely that as other groups demand marriage rights, and those rights cannot legitimately be denied based on precedent, the marriage license will become obsolete and impractical.

    Regardless, equality of the law is a principle of the US Constitution, and one that I agree with morally, so it must be applied to marriage in the meantime.
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Well the way I see it, expanding marriage rights is more likely to end government marriage than denying them. Do you think if marriage was denied to same-sex couples, suggesting that the populace did not want to change marriage, Americans would agree to something as radical as getting rid of all marriage? I don't think so. It seems far more likely that as other groups demand marriage rights, and those rights cannot legitimately be denied based on precedent, the marriage license will become obsolete and impractical.

    Regardless, equality of the law is a principle of the US Constitution, and one that I agree with morally, so it must be applied to marriage in the meantime.
    i agree, but why does government create more laws around marriage and those relationships, every state which has made SSM legal, create more things concerning it.

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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as of Jan 1st 2013 the federal government created 80,000, new pages of federal regulation.

    1) well my question has many of the times to do when i post is" where does government get the authority to do these things.......authority is derived from a constitution, and i dont see the authority in those documents to do the many things they are doing, be it state or federal.

    2)but we have people would dont want religion taught is school , and i am fine with that, however i dont want people who are against religion being taught, push for things being taught that are hostile or an affront to people of faith, remember that those people are tax payers to, and no citizen should have his tax money used against him.

    3)tell me if my child is taught by the church and reaffirmed by me, that homosexuality is wrong in our family, and then i send my child off to school were they teach that those type of relationships are perfectly good and moral, is that not a confusing and a contradiction to my child? i am not asking the school to teach what i believe for my family, but i find it strange that people believe they can teach me their beliefs of sexual relationships and act as though i cannot object to it, or that i cannot have my tax money back so my child can be schooled by an institution of my choice then.

    4)i am not against people being treated fairly, however being a christian means certain things, the bible tells Christians, that if you support a sin, through your words ,deeds or money then you are guilty of the sin also. government uses force to make people do things, and as i have said many times, WHERE does this power of force come from? becuase no such power is in constitutions of states of the federal one, to make people do things becuase government just wants people to be moral, government has authority only if you commit a crime, against a person, or if your actions could cause a health or safety issues to property or people. government was given no authority all to dictate to the people.
    many people site the 14th amendment to our constitution, and as i have stated many times, constitutions only applies to government to limit them...and limits them only ....by telling them they cannot discriminate and they must treat people equally under the laws they create., they do not limit people or businesses, business or people dont create law, only government does, so how are people or business suppose to treat people equally under the law, when they dont create such laws. we have gotten to the point that limits which that were to be applied to government is now applied to the people, and the founders did not create such a system of government or a nation based on that idea.

    5) they are not?, tell me where is the EPA, education, housing,immigration in the constitution?..there are no where the federal government has no authority in these areas, but government has use the EPA to bullying people over their property, do you really believe government does not violate the rights of the people, ..becuase that is exactly why constitution are created to prevent that, but government has violated the constitution , by creating laws which they were never given authority over. after reading federalist papers and the constitution, letters of the founders, and what they say they create in our government its very clear, government is totally outside the constitution, and is bullying people with laws, they have no authority to create. the constitution only gives to congress 18 duties, that's all, and they are clearly doing more than 18, as the founders say... anything outside its 18 enumerated duties is unconstitutional, and they are in doing that fringing on the rights of americans.

    most people want to listen to the constitution through their news, they dont want to read the constitution or the federalist papers which are a hard read, however the truth lies their its spelled out what the founders created, yet many American are ignorant of the basics of the founding principles of out nation and say, were are int he 21st century now, and we cant listen to that old document anymore, then they wonder why people feel they way they do about government and why america is in trouble, and its extremely sad...........people will not look, find and read truth, when it is available in books and online, they chose to remain in the dark.
    1.) protecting rights is there job
    2.) their opinion of what is hostile is meaningless as long as it doesnt violate rights, if we catered to nonsensical illogical BS like this there would be nothing we could teach in school
    3.) i dont know any school that teaches those things are perfectly "good and moral" but only that they exists and one shouldnt discriminate against those relationships just like race, gender, disbalities etc etc
    That said even if they did this does not violate your rights and as a parent take responsibility and teach your kid what you want. Bad teachers exist, opinionated teachers exist etc etc. DO your job as a parent and youll be fine. What about teachers that think we deserved 9/11 or that lincoln was better than washington etc etc etc where does it stop. What if i think differently doesnt that confuse my kid? that argument is silly.

    you can "object" to it all you want but it doesnt violate you rights and you are free to teach your kid how you see fight or simply teach your kid some other way. No you dont get your tax money back. again where would it end.

    4.) im a christan too and if you truly believe this overly dramatic and extremely exaggerated view you are simply in the wrong country because then you will be a sinner in every FREE country you live in. If you dont like being free or that your fellow americans are free move to a religious dictatorship that supports your views, a free country is the wrong place for you.

    wow thanks for this long post which changes nothing

    5.) i stopped reading at EPA because meaningless strawmen and deflection are a waste of time to on topic honest discussion lol

    but my answer is nope to the question "they are not/" because i was talking about marriage rights, if you want to have a different conversation where government might be overstepping its bounds feel free to start that thread

    6.) you are free to this opinion, i might even agree with some of it but it seems your issue is you arent happy with a free county, you have options
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    Re: SSM and the Full Faith and Credit Clause

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) protecting rights is there job
    2.) their opinion of what is hostile is meaningless as long as it doesnt violate rights, if we catered to nonsensical illogical BS like this there would be nothing we could teach in school
    3.) i dont know any school that teaches those things are perfectly "good and moral" but only that they exists and one shouldnt discriminate against those relationships just like race, gender, disbalities etc etc
    That said even if they did this does not violate your rights and as a parent take responsibility and teach your kid what you want. Bad teachers exist, opinionated teachers exist etc etc. DO your job as a parent and youll be fine. What about teachers that think we deserved 9/11 or that lincoln was better than washington etc etc etc where does it stop. What if i think differently doesnt that confuse my kid? that argument is silly.

    you can "object" to it all you want but it doesnt violate you rights and you are free to teach your kid how you see fight or simply teach your kid some other way. No you dont get your tax money back. again where would it end.

    4.) im a christan too and if you truly believe this overly dramatic and extremely exaggerated view you are simply in the wrong country because then you will be a sinner in every FREE country you live in. If you dont like being free or that your fellow americans are free move to a religious dictatorship that supports your views, a free country is the wrong place for you.

    wow thanks for this long post which changes nothing

    5.) i stopped reading at EPA because meaningless strawmen and deflection are a waste of time to on topic honest discussion lol

    but my answer is nope to the question "they are not/" because i was talking about marriage rights, if you want to have a different conversation where government might be overstepping its bounds feel free to start that thread

    6.) you are free to this opinion, i might even agree with some of it but it seems your issue is you arent happy with a free county, you have options


    all i get from your post is, and i get this a lot, .........we have to do this becuase our society must grow, and we have to have laws which promote that growth, and create fairness and equity for the people, and for the public welfare.



    sorry that does not cut it, the constitution is clear, and most of the federal government activates are unconstitutional, and in doing unconstitutional acts, it is infringing on the rights of the people.

    example of government action which is unconstitutional:

    can federal government own land......... not according to the Constitution all land purchased must be with the approval of the state in question, and the land must be use for a federal structure.

    can government enter on to state or private land..no... not according to the constitution unless.......piracy, counterfeiting or treason is being performed.. .......and that the only reason

    it does not take a long to to read the constitution its a simple read, now the federalist papers there is a hard read, ..but once you read it, it opens your mind to what the founders really created, and its not what we are currently living under.

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