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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication in terms of concealled carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    IMO we shouldn't even need permits to carry and all permits should be "shall-issue" not "may-issue" like Maryland and their stupid "Good and Substantial Reason" to exercise your right.

    But yes, every state that has permits should recognize other states' permits.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication in terms of concealled carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?
    I think it is unconstitutional. not sure about EVERY example you described but in general that's how i feel and even if its not in my opinion this is how it should work

    ALL states should allow open carry
    ALL states should recognize my CWP (concealed weapons permit) just like my drivers licences
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Yea, it is nuts.

    I believe that OH has reciprocity agreements with 23 other states.

    I look on the Ohio Attorney General's (OAG) website every month or so to see what has changed.

    From the OAG website (http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/L...y-Agreements):

    Concealed Carry Reciprocity Agreements

    Ohio law gives the Attorney General the right to negotiate concealed carry handgun reciprocity agreements with other states.

    Under such agreements, Ohio and other states agree to respect each other's concealed carry laws and recognize each other's permit holders.

    In assessing whether to enter a reciprocity agreement, the Attorney General must determine if another state's concealed carry law and requirements are "substantially comparable" to Ohio's.

    Ohio has reciprocity agreements with the following states. Click on the state name for more details about the agreement.
    Obviously, check your home state for relevant information for you.

    I rarely leave OH these days, but the permit is absolutely worth it!
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    It should go from state to state without issue, if you legally carry in your home state. If the left can argue ER/FF&C for gay marriage, the right can argue for this.

    Constitutionally, yes.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication in terms of concealled carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?
    Apparently the Congress has not passed laws that blanketly require all states to recognize the judgments of laws in all other states.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    This is a complicated issue. I feel that these state's individual constitutional rights rental agreements are unconstitutional. Some permits (e.g. driving) are normally honored while others require paying a "non-resident" fee to gain that privilege (e.g. fishing/hunting). The bottom line is that there should be no "rights" permits, only those for "privileges" in any state to begin with.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I think it is unconstitutional. not sure about EVERY example you described but in general that's how i feel and even if its not in my opinion this is how it should work

    ALL states should allow open carry
    ALL states should recognize my CWP (concealed weapons permit) just like my drivers licences
    Why do you prefer open to concealed carry for a handgun? The 7-11 feakout factor alone makes concealed carry a better idea.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why do you prefer open to concealed carry for a handgun? The 7-11 feakout factor alone makes concealed carry a better idea.
    prefer?

    sorry i didnt mean to suggest i prefer either or
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Yes, and it has been a real issue for me. I ended up breaking CA's law as the first time I ever set foot here, to take my kids to DL, it was three weeks after the Rodney King riots, and there was no way I was coming here without protection. CCWed in Idaho, and remained so till a few years ago when I left the state to gypsy around the west and see where I wanted to settle for my last leg of life. Now I'm here in CA to stay with a gun I can't carry or use really in anyway legally. I was going to send it back to my dd in Idaho who is now a CCW but hasn't purchased her Glock because I was going to give her mine, and damn! I can't even send it to her without jumping through hoops. Seems and unloaded weapon in the original case, firing pin set separate, ought to be enough, but apparently I have to pay a gun dealer to send it to a gun dealer who'll then allow it to go to my daughter. Seems everyone along the way wants to be paid as well...OY!

    I am totally for background checks and CCW or some some of personal licensing to carry outside the home that indicates some level of knowledge and training. But there are a whole lot of really onerous and stupid laws out there, and expecting someone to ...what? lose our handguns as we cross state borders is ridiculous.
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