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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Second Amendment says that the right which it affirms “…shall not be infringed.” It does not just say that the federal government may not infringe this right. It says, “…shall not be infringed.” Period. This means that no level of government is allowed to infringe this right.

    Even if FDR had not “raped” the Constitution as he did, it would still be a “rape” of the Constitution to allow states, cities, counties, or other smaller levels of government to violate this right.
    IMO FDR only fondled the constitution, Lincoln raped it, Bush pissed on it with Cheney's dick and then Obama wiped his ass with it.

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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those requirements are BS. You should require no permit to carry arms.
    How would you suggest guns that are used in crimes be traced back to the owners then? I can understand keeping some record keeping of who owns what for that purpose.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I dispute that

    under the second amendment as it was properly written and interpreted (pre 14th amendment) the second amendment only curtailed FEDERAL infringement of the right to keep and bear arms

    but since the 14th bastardized the entire document, expansion to the states (as is the case with the first, the fourth, etc) means you are currently correct
    My bad.

    In that case...."I have the Right, under Part of the First, Article 17, Massachusetts State Constitution, to own and carry a personal firearm without any undue burden placed on me by the State."

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How would you suggest guns that are used in crimes be traced back to the owners then?
    We do not suggest tracking guns back to their owners in the first place, to then be in a position to offer a remedy on how to do it.

    Don't do it.

    In my state, registration is illegal. If you register a firearm, both you and the entity you register with are criminals. If a gun is used in a crime, the State should either destroy it or place it in auction. There shouldn't even be serial numbers on firearms in the first place.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-26-13 at 09:26 PM.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just #5? I must admit that I'm surprised. I thought you would think most if not all the requirements were BS.
    I cannot object to requiring an ID to carry a gun since I support requiring an ID to vote. That would make me a hypocrite.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How would you suggest guns that are used in crimes be traced back to the owners then?
    Finger printing, ballistics, etc. But quite honestly, requiring no permit to keep and bear arms has little to do with this point which is one more of data basing and data mining. And for that, I'm sure the NSA already has all the info.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    I'm more than willing to work with people. Politics always trumps ideology.

    Let's have Federal guidelines for a permit, and then that permit has national reciprocity. You want some fees, some NICS, passport photo, birth certificate, proof of residency, and a nice 40hr class which includes a practical exam and qualification? No problem. I'm on board with that. I don't necessarily like all that but I'm willing to deal.

    In exchange, as I said, national reciprocity, no "approved gun lists", and most gun-free zones eliminated (most, not all. Keep ERs, court rooms, polls, jails, and similar, but not post offices, DMV, any school, or public events or places). I'm willing to let states decide for themselves how to handle the gun-buster issue so long as states are willing to let me decide how to handle the carry-concealed-or-open issue.

    And yes, remove the machine gun ban, but I'll work with you there, too. Just like different classes of drivers licences we can have different classes of gun licenses. If someone wants to buy Class-3 firearms they get to pay another fee and take another class focusing on automatic weapons.

    I'm willing to toss in some storage law (must store guns in a rated safe) if the Fed tosses in a national Castle Doctrine.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-26-13 at 10:04 PM.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    I don't mind state's requiring a certain amount of training and licensing and background checks to issue CCW's. In fact, I hope they do since I wouldn't want an untrained individual toting a firearm any more than I'd want a person who had no training and experience driving a car.

    That said, I find it ludicrous that CCW's issued in one state are not accepted in ALL states, like drivers' licenses and marriage licenses (oops, I guess some states are going to stop accepting certain marriage licenses nowadays). So yeah, I personally agree that legitimately-issued CCW's should be required to be accepted in all states, period. Since I'm no constitutional scholar, I shall refrain from opining on that.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't mind state's requiring a certain amount of training and licensing and background checks to issue CCW's. In fact, I hope they do since I wouldn't want an untrained individual toting a firearm any more than I'd want a person who had no training and experience driving a car.

    That said, I find it ludicrous that CCW's issued in one state are not accepted in ALL states, like drivers' licenses and marriage licenses (oops, I guess some states are going to stop accepting certain marriage licenses nowadays). So yeah, I personally agree that legitimately-issued CCW's should be required to be accepted in all states, period. Since I'm no constitutional scholar, I shall refrain from opining on that.
    Gays will get a taste of what it's like when they have to consult maps showing where their marriage is and isn't honored. If I land a great job in CA, I have to give up my right to carry to take the job. Likewise if a gay person lands a great job in SD, they have to give up their right to marry to take it (SD has a constitutional ban against SSM).

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gays will get a taste of what it's like when they have to consult maps showing where their marriage is and isn't honored. If I land a great job in CA, I have to give up my right to carry to take the job. Likewise if a gay person lands a great job in SD, they have to give up their right to marry to take it (SD has a constitutional ban against SSM).
    It is posts like these that continue to prove how devastating the 10th/civil war amendment has been to our country. It is the source of every huge case making it to the SCOTUS Corruptus these days. Don't speed coming into NE Colorado on Interstate-76 all the way past Morgan county. Colorado has a very difficult expungement law compared to other states. Good thing there is a civil rights law. At least for now.

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