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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication in terms of concealled carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?
    I do think that an individual should be subject to the gun laws in the State he/she resides and when traveling those are the laws that apply, not local State law. Although, I would say that ideally the entire country were under Vermont style carry laws.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The correct answer: "I have the Constitutional Right under Amendment 2 to own and carry a personal firearm without any undue burden placed on me by the State."
    So then you think those requirements are BS, IOW.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    You should have to demonstrate a need to have a no-gun sign posted on a place open to the public. No-gun signs are exactly the same as 'whites only' signs.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The correct answer: "I have the Constitutional Right under Amendment 2 to own and carry a personal firearm without any undue burden placed on me by the State."

    I dispute that

    under the second amendment as it was properly written and interpreted (pre 14th amendment) the second amendment only curtailed FEDERAL infringement of the right to keep and bear arms

    but since the 14th bastardized the entire document, expansion to the states (as is the case with the first, the fourth, etc) means you are currently correct



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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You should have to demonstrate a need to have a no-gun sign posted on a place open to the public. No-gun signs are exactly the same as 'whites only' signs.
    Well I'm not saying that I disagree. I'm just wanting to compare my state to others.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So then you think those requirements are BS, IOW.
    Why the plural? I pointed out #5, not the entire list.

    Yes I think #5 is bull****.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So then you think those requirements are BS, IOW.
    Those requirements are BS. You should require no permit to carry arms.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the constitution had not been raped so many times (especially under the turd FDR) I would say each state has the proper power to determine its own firearms laws.
    The Second Amendment says that the right which it affirms “…shall not be infringed.” It does not just say that the federal government may not infringe this right. It says, “…shall not be infringed.” Period. This means that no level of government is allowed to infringe this right.

    Even if FDR had not “raped” the Constitution as he did, it would still be a “rape” of the Constitution to allow states, cities, counties, or other smaller levels of government to violate this right.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I dispute that

    under the second amendment as it was properly written and interpreted (pre 14th amendment) the second amendment only curtailed FEDERAL infringement of the right to keep and bear arms

    but since the 14th bastardized the entire document, expansion to the states (as is the case with the first, the fourth, etc) means you are currently correct
    So you think it should be left up to individual states to decide their own requirements? What if a state decided to not allow any concealed carry?

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why the plural? I pointed out #5, not the entire list.

    Yes I think #5 is bull****.
    Just #5? I must admit that I'm surprised. I thought you would think most if not all the requirements were BS.

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