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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I live in the worst state in the country when it comes down to CCW permits, and I think that my state (and all others) should be expected to recognize the other state's CCW permits.

    However, I also think that my state should be allowed to NOT issue CCW permits (even though I think they should issue CCW permits, if that makes any sense to people).
    Everywhere and nowhere.....is that the 56th or 57th state?
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I disagree. Open carry offers a much better chance for a "bad guy" to preplan either taking you out first or to attempt to take your handgun from you. Just as it is wiser to conceal valuables in a parked vehicle, it is better to not advertise that you are armed. I like the option of either, since with our 100 degree weather my OWB holster may not always be covered well.
    At first I was thinking that it might be a good deterrent, but you make a pretty good point against it.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why do you prefer open to concealed carry for a handgun? The 7-11 feakout factor alone makes concealed carry a better idea.
    1. Open-carry allows for safer holsters. Most concealed-carry holsters are only level-1 retention. Open carry holsters are retention level-2 & 3.

    2. It's easier to draw an openly carried gun.

    3. Like a poisonous frog with bright skin, I like to let would-be criminals know that attacking me can result in their death. In the service we call openly carried weapons "show of force". When someone attacks me knowing I have a gun, I can safely assume they intend to inflict grave bodily harm. This makes for a cleaner legal case.

    4. Some people still freak out when they see a gay couple holding hands. Would you tell gays that they shouldn't express affection in public so that those rare few won't freak out? Don't gays still have a right to be affectionate in public? Do you also support concealing political and religious views; would you have Christians tuck in that cross, or Buddhist monks leave the orange robe at the temple? IMO it's the person freaking out who is in the wrong.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I disagree.

    I think anytime you carry you should carry as openly as possible.

    It's a courtesy to everyone.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yeah im not cool with that so much especially if it prevents me from carrying concealed
    2.) open carry is illegal in texas????????? thats shocking
    3.) i agree i guess that im just admitting that some restriction i would be ok with but i would never say they are 100% constitutional because i would be wrong IMO and I think all the restrictions should be done the right way.

    shocked open carry is illegal in texas
    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/texas.pdf

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    I'm a little confused by my own link.

    NRA-ILA | Massachusetts

    Here it states this:

    NON-RESIDENTS
    A non-resident may possess a rifle or shotgun in Massachusetts:

    While hunting and in possession of a valid hunting license.
    While on a firing or shooting range.
    While traveling in or through Massachusetts if the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and enclosed in a case.
    While at a firearms show organized by a “regularly existing gun collector’s club or association.”
    If he or she has a license or permit to possess any firearm in his or her home state, if its licensing requirements are as stringent as those of Massachusetts, as indicated by a published list of such states promulgated by the colonel of state police.

    The colonel of state police may issue a temporary license to carry a handgun to a non-resident, alien, or resident who does not live within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority. A temporary license must clearly indicate whether it is a class A or B license. The fee for a temporary license is $100. Temporary licenses are good for one year, and renewable at the discretion of the colonel of state police. Unlike regular class A and B licenses, temporary licenses may not be used to purchase firearms.

    A non-resident United States citizen with a license to carry a handgun issued by any state may carry a handgun in Massachusetts for the purpose of taking part in a competition or exhibition of an organized group of firearms collectors, or for hunting provided he has a valid hunting license issued by Massachusetts or the state of his destination.
    Then in another section, it says this:

    Reciprocity

    These states recognize Massachusetts permits:Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont

    Massachusetts recognizes permits from:None

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    In Texas a CHL requires a 10 hour class (about $100), passing a test that requires firing 50 rounds of ammunition (about $30) and a non-refundable application fee of $140 (total expense of $270). A driver's license in Texas costs $24 and includes the practical and written tests. Carrying a loaded handgun is ONLY legal if you have a CHL since open carry is illegal in Texas (even with a CHL). What is being ignored is the vast difference between a constitutional right and a state issued privilege.
    Funny thing is that TX honors my SD permit and SD doesn't require any of that. No classes no firing rounds no nothing. $10 and 5 business days is all.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm a little confused by my own link.

    NRA-ILA | Massachusetts

    Here it states this:

    Then in another section, it says this:
    The first section is who Massachusetts honors. The second section is who honors Massachusetts. These are not always the same. Just because you honor another state doesn't mean they will honor you.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled [sic] carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled [sic] carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts [sic]. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled [sic] carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication [sic] in terms of concealled [sic] carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?
    There should not be any such thing as a permit to carry a gun.

    This is a right which the Second Amendment explicitly affirms, and forbids government from infringing.

    You do not need a permit to exercise a right. No agency of any federal, state, or other government in this nation has any legitimate authority whatsoever to restrict your right to carry a gun, nor to compel you to obtain any permit or other authorization to exercise this right.

    There should be no discussion of permits or reciprocity, because every free citizen of this nation already has the right to carry a gun in any state or territory of this nation.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The first section is who Massachusetts honors. The second section is who honors Massachusetts. These are not always the same. Just because you honor another state doesn't mean they will honor you.
    But it says this:

    A non-resident United States citizen with a license to carry a handgun issued by any state may carry a handgun in Massachusetts for the purpose of taking part in a competition or exhibition of an organized group of firearms collectors, or for hunting provided he has a valid hunting license issued by Massachusetts or the state of his destination.
    So wouldn't that indicate that they DO recognize an out of state permit, but only under specific circumstances?

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