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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yeah im not cool with that so much especially if it prevents me from carrying concealed
    2.) open carry is illegal in texas????????? thats shocking
    3.) i agree i guess that im just admitting that some restriction i would be ok with but i would never say they are 100% constitutional because i would be wrong IMO and I think all the restrictions should be done the right way.

    shocked open carry is illegal in texas
    Texas gun law says no to open carry:

    PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS.

    (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:

    (1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or

    (2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.

    (a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:

    (1) the handgun is in plain view;...
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Texas gun law says no to open carry:



    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/interne...rms/chl-16.pdf
    yeah i looked it up myself cause thats shocking i would have NEVER guessed that.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    I do think that someone who has gotten a CCW should be allowed to use it anywhere in the country. But I also see how it's really unfair for people who live in a state that doesn't allow CCW, or makes them very hard to get, that visitors can carry concealed, but residents cannot.

    The better solution would be to simply have national shall-issue CCW laws.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealled carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealled carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealled and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requsts. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealled carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprication in terms of concealled carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?


    Excellent point. States are required to give "full faith and credit" to many things from other states AUTOMATICALLY, like driver's licenses and marriage certificates. Carry permits are treated differently because.... um, because.... well, just because dammit!

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I do think that someone who has gotten a CCW should be allowed to use it anywhere in the country. But I also see how it's really unfair for people who live in a state that doesn't allow CCW, or makes them very hard to get, that visitors can carry concealed, but residents cannot.
    They can always move...

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They can always move...
    I hear this excuse about so many things, and people always make it sound so easy. Moving's a pretty big pain in the ass, especially if it means moving to another state, often leaving family and friends behind, forcing you to find a new job, etc. "Just move" doesn't really cut it.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I hear this excuse about so many things, and people always make it sound so easy. Moving's a pretty big pain in the ass, especially if it means moving to another state, often leaving family and friends behind, forcing you to find a new job, etc. "Just move" doesn't really cut it.
    I moved out of a state whose condition I did not approve of. Not like you're moving to Serbia or Indonesia or something.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Recently I was listening to my dad tell me about some of the different complications regarding gun laws between Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. There was one part that struck me somewhat odd...

    Apparently, concealed carry permits apply only to the state they're issued in or between states that have agreements to allow them to carry over. And what the laws in individual states vary widely.

    Some states, like Arizona, see no difference between the legal notion of "concealed carry" or "open carry", there's just carrying. Others, like Virginia, have concealed and open and generally isn't difficult to get the permit. Others like Maryland have both categories, but are heavily restricted in CCW and seek to deny most requests. Finally you have places like Illinois that also only has one legal notion of carrying, but that's essentially open carrying as concealed carry is completely illegal.

    But why is it that if you cross the border from one state to another you can't assume that the state, in full faith and credit, will consider your permit from another state legal? Is it constitutional that all states aren't bound to reciprocation in terms of concealed carry permits? Constitutional or no, do you think they should be bound to such?
    I live in South Dakota. I landed a great job that requires me to travel. The fist job site is in Oklahoma. I have to drive through Nebraska and Kansas to get to Oklahoma. Neither Nebraska or Kansas honor my South Dakota carry permit.

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    Neither Nebraska or Kansas issue non-resident permits. If I want to carry while passing through those states I will need a permit from a state they honor.

    I have a Utah non-resident permit. I have never been in Utah in my entire life, but I have their permit so that I could carry in various other states. Nebraska honors my Utah permit, so I can carry while driving through Nebraska, but Kansas does not honor the Utah permit, so I cannot carry in Kansas.

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    As a result, I'm applying for the Arizona non-resident permit. I have never been to Arizona in my life, but in a couple months I will have the Arizona non-resident permit so that I can carry through Kansas to get to the job site.

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    Oklahoma honors every other state's permit, so once in Oklahoma I will have 3 permits granting me permission to carry in Oklahoma when I only need 1. Additionally, if I lived in Alaska, Arizona, Vermont or Wyoming (states which do not require residents to have a permit to carry), I would not need any permit to also carry in Oklahoma even-though I don't live in Oklahoma....but I would still need other permits in order to pass through other states to get to Oklahoma.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yea, it is nuts.

    I believe that OH has reciprocity agreements with 23 other states.
    It's to bad you folks don't offer an OH non-resident permit, I would gladly give my money. I had to get a Utah non-resident permit so that I could carry in your state, and I've never even been to Utah.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Illinois is solidly the worst in the country.
    Massachusetts doesn't recognize any out of state permits, and in a lot of cities a permit will only be issued at the discretion of the Chief of Police.

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