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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.
    I can imagine some of the right saying that. I can also imagine some of the left suggesting that it should cross state lines for licenses related to the right to marry but not for ones relating to the right to bear arms.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can imagine some of the right saying that. I can also imagine some of the left suggesting that it should cross state lines for licenses related to the right to marry but not for ones relating to the right to bear arms.
    I even bet we could find evidence of that if we looked hard enough.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Each state gets to make it's own laws. Fed keep nose out of it.

    If you don't like your states laws, agitate for change.
    If you don't like another states laws, don't go there.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Your overall tax burden is already extreme IMHO especially when living around Chicago
    When you get outside the 6 collar counties of Chicago, which used to go > 10--1 Repub, I would disagree. Our cost of living is lower where I am. By having crooks in both parties since the 1920's, we are broke due to the pension fiasco. We choose not to pollute Lake Michigan with 20 times the allowable MERCURY as Indiana, which then gains the jobs and tax revenue from it's Whiting BP toilet which also has been flushing dangerous levels of AMMONIA and SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
    It's the normal result of any community in which there are strict gun control laws in effect. There's no rational reason to expect any different. The supply of available guns is abundant enough that no law can ever stop someone form getting one who truly wants one and is willing to break the law in order to get it. The effect, unalterably, will be that criminals, who by definition do not obey laws, will be better armed than law-abiding citizens, who, by definition, do obey the laws. The unalterable effect of gun control is to make honest citizens easier prey for criminals. For this reason, only those who are either unimaginably ignorant, or who are willfully on the side of violent criminals, support gun control laws.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    When you get outside the 6 collar counties of Chicago, which used to go > 10--1 Repub, I would disagree. Our cost of living is lower where I am. By having crooks in both parties since the 1920's, we are broke due to the pension fiasco. We choose not to pollute Lake Michigan with 20 times the allowable MERCURY as Indiana, which then gains the
    jobs and tax revenue from it's Whiting BP toilet which also has been flushing dangerous levels of AMMONIA and SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
    Your property taxes are 3 times what mine are anywhere in the state

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    The property taxes on my house are 2.3% of EAV. I do live beyond the city limits, though, and must depend on county fire and police and state police.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Your property taxes are 3 times what mine are anywhere in the state

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Why don't you just apply for a Florida CCW....
    Thinking back on Florida for a moment, I noticed something in the pics I posted earlier...

    Look at Florida:

    Concealled Carry Permits and state borders-111-jpg

    Concealled Carry Permits and state borders-222-jpg

    Florida honors my South Dakota resident permit, but not my Utah non-resident permit. I had to do a lot more to get the Utah permit than the South Dakota Permit, so you would think that it would be the other way around and Florida would honor Utah but not South Dakota.

    South Dakota charges $10, you fill out half a piece of paper worth of a form, and your permit is mailed to you within a week. There's no class, no fingerprinting, no nothing. That's it.

    Utah charges $65, plus the class, the FBI fingerprinting, the passport photo, your permit arrives in the mail within 60-90 days, AND Utah runs your information through NICS every single day for the entire life of the permit! South Dakota doesn't do that, but Utah does, but Utah isn't good enough for Florida?

    Same thing with Colorado, but even though I'm not good enough to get a permit from them, even though Utah's permit isn't good enough for Colorado, Colorado will still let me carry since I have a stupidly-easy-to-get South Dakota permit.

    As a resident of South Dakota, it is easier for me to carry in Colorado than it is for an actual Colorado resident to carry in Colorado.

    Where is the sanity in this nonsense?

    I hope this gives some a taste of why I support a single Federal permit to carry with national reciprocity. One standard, one rule for everyone.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-28-13 at 12:19 AM.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Thinking back on Florida for a moment, I noticed something in the pics I posted earlier...

    Look at Florida:

    Concealled Carry Permits and state borders-111-jpg

    Concealled Carry Permits and state borders-222-jpg

    Florida honors my South Dakota resident permit, but not my Utah non-resident permit. I had to do a lot more to get the Utah permit than the South Dakota Permit, so you would think that it would be the other way around and Florida would honor Utah but not South Dakota.

    South Dakota charges $10, you fill out half a piece of paper worth of a form, and your permit is mailed to you within a week. There's no class, no fingerprinting, no nothing. That's it.

    Utah charges $65, plus the class, the FBI fingerprinting, the passport photo, your permit arrives in the mail within 60-90 days, AND Utah runs your information through NICS every single day for the entire life of the permit! South Dakota doesn't do that, but Utah does, but Utah isn't good enough for Florida?

    Same thing with Colorado, but even though I'm not good enough to get a permit from them, even though Utah's permit isn't good enough for Colorado, Colorado will still let me carry since I have a stupidly-easy-to-get South Dakota permit.

    As a resident of South Dakota, it is easier for me to carry in Colorado than it is for an actual Colorado resident to carry in Colorado.

    Where is the sanity in this nonsense?

    I hope this gives some a taste of why I support a single Federal permit to carry with national reciprocity. One standard, one rule for everyone.
    I hear you. I support the single federal as well. The runaround you get is truly awe inspiring. I could tell you a great story about my Florida CCW and how the state of Florida messed up so bad, when they figured out they messed up I had mine in less than 4 days.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    I screwed up and voted "Personally, no" instead of "Other".


    I don't believe in gun control laws of any kind but not because of the 2nd, which I interpret differently than many people.
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