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Thread: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Illinois doesn't either. And we don't issue any in-state permits. So, yeah.
    You might be interested in this information that I found on Wiki. Interesting how the AG keeps asking for postponements and the court keeps granting them.

    Gun laws in Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    On December 11, 2012, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Moore v. Madigan, ruled that Illinois' concealed carry ban is unconstitutional, and gave the state 180 days to change its laws.[14][15] On January 8, 2013, the Illinois attorney general requested that the decision be reviewed by the full appeals court.[16] This request was rejected on February 22, 2013. The attorney general is considering whether or not to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.[17] On April 29, 2013, the attorney general asked the Supreme Court for an extension of the deadline for filing an appeal, from May 23 to June 24.[18] On May 3, 2013, the Supreme Court granted the extension.[19]

    On May 31, 2013, the state legislature passed a bill that would allow licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns. The governor has not said whether or not he will sign the legislation. If the act becomes law, the state police will grant concealed carry permits to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. However, any law enforcement agency could object to an individual being granted a permit "based upon a reasonable suspicion that the applicant is a danger to himself or herself or others, or a threat to public safety". Objections would be considered by a Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, which would decide whether or not the permit would be issued, based on "a preponderance of the evidence". Concealed carry would be prohibited in a number of locations, including CTA and Metra buses and trains, schools, government buildings, stadiums, casinos, parks, street festivals, and bars and restaurants that get more than half their revenue from the sale of alcohol. Permits would cost $150 for residents or $300 for non-residents, and would be valid for five years. Concealed carry permits issued by other states would not be recognized.[20][21]

    Also on May 31, 2013, the legislature passed a law, not yet signed by the governor, that would require lost or stolen guns to be reported to the police within 72 hours. The same law would require a dial-up check of the buyer's FOID card when a firearm is purchased in a private sale. The check is already required at gun shows or when a gun is sold by a licensed dealer.[20]

    On June 3, 2013, the attorney general requested the appeals court to grant a 30-day extension, from June 9 to July 9, for implementing a concealed carry law.[22] On June 4, the court granted the extension.[23] On June 14, the attorney general requested that the Supreme Court grant a second 30-day extension, to July 22, for filing an appeal. On June 18 the high court granted the extension.[24]

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You might be interested in this information that I found on Wiki. Interesting how the AG keeps asking for postponements and the court keeps granting them.

    Gun laws in Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I think their tactic is to delay until they can have their appeal heard by the SC . I don't expect the law to be implemented any time soon, sadly. thus making Illinois the worst.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think their tactic is to delay until they can have their appeal heard by the SC . I don't expect the law to be implemented any time soon, sadly. thus making Illinois the worst.
    Definitely delay tactics. I read that some new gun laws put Maryland way up there on the list too. Now that we have a new senator who is big on gun control, I wonder what's going to happen in my state?

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Definitely delay tactics. I read that some new gun laws put Maryland way up there on the list too. Now that we have a new senator who is big on gun control, I wonder what's going to happen in my state?
    The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The sad thing is that, right now in Chicago, I'm positive I can get a gun easier illegally than I could get one legally. Meaning that people who are willing to break the law have better access to guns than those who are unwilling to break the law. That's an inherently ****ed up reality.
    I couldn't agree with you more. These laws are useless in regards to stopping criminals.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What about private property rights?
    Regarding a property which is open to the public, the owner has every right to require concealed carry only or any other kind of dress code, but the owner has no right to completely bar lawful carry. That's like barring 'colored people'.

    If the property is not open to the public then the owner can ban personal firearms all they want.
    Last edited by Jerry; 06-27-13 at 01:06 PM.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You might be interested in this information that I found on Wiki. Interesting how the AG keeps asking for postponements and the court keeps granting them.

    Gun laws in Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    So no reciprocation and their non-resident permit costs $300. Ok, I'll start setting aside cash. Do they have a list of classes they accept or will any NRA approved class work?

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It should go from state to state without issue, if you legally carry in your home state. If the left can argue ER/FF&C for gay marriage, the right can argue for this.

    Constitutionally, yes.
    I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.


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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So no reciprocation and their non-resident permit costs $300. Ok, I'll start setting aside cash. Do they have a list of classes they accept or will any NRA approved class work?
    Well that law hasn't taken effect because they keep postponing doing anything about it. Also, I can't find anything else specific about classes or anything.

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    Re: Concealled Carry Permits and state borders

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd agree with that, but I can't imagine the right saying all gay marriages should be legal if you cross state lines. That part of DOMA was not struck down.
    That's how you know you're in the presence of a partisan hack or ideologue - if they support FF&C in one aspect, but not another.

    Frankly, anyone that doesn't think both gay marriage and firearm possession should hold up across state lines is showing obvious political bias in one lean or another.

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