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  • Christian conservative

    3 11.54%
  • Limited government conservative

    6 23.08%
  • Neoconservative

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  • Paleoconservative

    2 7.69%
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Thread: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I've often wondered how come there isn't more conservation in conservatism...
    2 things.

    1st thing: Conservatives are very much about conservation. I'm pretty sure you're confusing "preservation" with "conservation". Liberals think in terms of preservation; nature should be looked at, not used. Conservatives think in terms of conservation; natural resources are to be used and managed.

    2nd thing: You are confusing "conservative" with "conserve".

    con新er暇a暗ive (kn-srv-tv)
    adj.
    1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
    2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
    3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

    con新erve (kn-srv)
    v. con新erved, con新erv搏ng, con新erves
    v.tr.
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    a. To protect from loss or harm; preserve: calls to conserve our national heritage in the face of bewildering change.
    b. To use carefully or sparingly, avoiding waste: kept the thermostat lower to conserve energy.
    2. To keep (a quantity) constant through physical or chemical reactions or evolutionary changes.
    3. To preserve (fruits) with sugar.
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    To economize: tried to conserve on fuel during the long winter.

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well it's a fair point - and it speaks to the dramatic differences between European and American "conserv"atives - American conservatives are more traditional 18th-19th Century Liberals with a strong attachment to civil society functions - family, faith, etc. European conservatives (outside of the Briths) nave no Liberal filter.
    Yes, more about preserving than conserving, but then they'd be preservatives, and that just doesn't have the same ring...

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    2 things.

    1st thing: Conservatives are very much about conservation. I'm pretty sure you're confusing "preservation" with "conservation". Liberals think in terms of preservation; nature should be looked at, not used. Conservatives think in terms of conservation; natural resources are to be used and managed.

    2nd thing: You are confusing "conservative" with "conserve".

    con新er暇a暗ive (kn-srv-tv)
    adj.
    1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
    2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
    3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

    con新erve (kn-srv)
    v. con新erved, con新erv搏ng, con新erves
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    1.
    a. To protect from loss or harm; preserve: calls to conserve our national heritage in the face of bewildering change.
    b. To use carefully or sparingly, avoiding waste: kept the thermostat lower to conserve energy.
    2. To keep (a quantity) constant through physical or chemical reactions or evolutionary changes.
    3. To preserve (fruits) with sugar.
    v.intr.
    To economize: tried to conserve on fuel during the long winter.
    I think you're being way too serious for a Wed morning. It was a play on words. I know full well rank and file --attached to their bible and guns -- conservatives, the sportsmen, are the best conservationists. The Big Bank Hanks, not so much...

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    based on the ones you posted...

    In terms of Government at the federal level probably a moderate Hawkish Libertarian Conservative, in terms of societal notions and some more local type of government I probably lean more towards paleoconservatism.

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I've often wondered how come there isn't more conservation in conservatism...
    Have you looked at an electoral map lately?

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Yes, yes, please mix and match I just happened to see that on wiki and figured it was a good place to start, add your own, create a new one, what have you.

    Follow up Question,

    Do all of you as conservatives see something of yourselves in the other branches of conservatism outside of what you identify yourselves as or does the rest of your political makeup come from elsewhere?

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Have you looked at an electoral map lately?

    No, no I haven't. Why?

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No, no I haven't. Why?
    I thinking looking at an electoral map would show you how foolish your point about conservation and conservatives is.

    I think it also shows you just how successful the Democrat party is in their advertising and how unsuccessful Republicans are.

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    I thinking looking at an electoral map would show you how foolish your point about conservation and conservatives is.

    I think it also shows you just how successful the Democrat party is in their advertising and how unsuccessful Republicans are.

    Well, tell me this, have you ever, in your life, walked in to a McDonald's and received a Big Mac that looked like this

    What Kind Of Conservative are you?-mcdonalds-big-mac-reflection-jpg

    I didn't think so...So much for advertising...

    and you're still not explaining yourself on the map thing, maybe I need more coffee, but...

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    Re: What Kind Of Conservative are you?

    A blend of several but mostly Christian conservative, who deviates somewhat from the definition offered. Instead of prayer in state schools, I prefer giving parents the option of being able to send their children to a more comprehensive privately operated faith-based school funded with tax credits. I completely dismiss the argument that suggests it would violate the First amendment. No one would be forced to send their child to a faith-based school, families who prefer secular institutions would continue to have those choices and public funding already exists for voluntary participation in faith-based organizations including Pell Grants, Federal student loans and the GI Bill used at faith-based colleges, military funerals, chaplaincy programs at government institutions from police and fire departments, the military and even the Congress of the United States. Worse case scenario, a system whereby core academic subjects can be publicly funded and faith related classes, etc. can be privately funded similar to the Faith Based Initiative that has bi-partisan support.

    For a variety of reasons I don't feel great about government operated consumer services, especially when the government run "business" holds a monopoly or a monopoly on those with limited resources. When it happens, the "corporate culture" of the government run business gravitates to the most horrible customer service you've ever experienced. Employees who interact with the public know you have no other choice but them and in addition to insensitivity to the needs of the public, it is mentally empowering for the government employee to throw their weight around letting you know loud and clear that they're in charge, at least that's been my experience. I once had to pick up a medical test for a relative at a government run hospital where most of the patients use government funded healthcare assistance. My relative has insurance but the government run hospital has one advanced piece of equipment the doctor wanted him to be tested on so he was sent there just for that one test. The arrogance, lack of compassion, insensitivity to other people's time and the general run around was something I'll never forget. Most of us I'm sure have stood in line for a half an hour at the Post Office. Some of us have even waited at a government office of some sort to be waited on while the employee who was sitting right there refused to help because they were on their break. This kind of thing doesn't happen in a free market where customers have the ability to walk right out of the door and use their competitor instead.

    And the customer service experience is just one factor as to why I don't support government run monopolies. The public simply is not supportive of people getting rich who are on the government payroll. One big factor that drives people to work their butts off, be creative and innovative is the potential of life changing reward if they come up with something big. We would never have the iPhone, HDTVs, digital cameras, and the list goes on, if we relied on government and some guy with an income ceiling of a G-9 pay scale to invent and develop them. For similar reasons I also support federal legislation that guarantees a significant percentage of ownership rights to privately employed inventors on patents and not all of the rights going to the stock holders of the company they work for in an economy where having a job is essential.

    I support lower corporate taxes but for companies that hire Americans and not those who outsource to cheap labor markets.

    I support private investment accounts phasing out social security or in addition to social security.

    I would have supported NASA's space exploration and interstate highway system when they were being developed even those some might have called it big government. I also support a national bullet train linking regional bullet train systems and government investment to prime the pump to advance emancipation from the Middle East through electric cars.

    Despite being a registered Republican, I don't automatically hate the President of the United States or any politician who doesn't have an "-R" after his name. Things I like about President Obama are:

    -The example he and his family have been in living out a strong culture of family values.
    -Banking regulations that stopped credit card companies from arbitrarily raising interest rates on past purchases.
    -Allowing people who are upside down in their mortgages to refinance to get lower rates.
    -Not allowing banks to authorize NSF transactions when they think you have the money in the bank but they know you don't just so they can charge you NFS fees unless you agree to it.
    -Strong support for Americans getting college degrees so we will have an advantage over third world labor markets our companies like to ship American jobs off to.

    Not sure what kind of conservative that makes me. I think its RINO.
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