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    Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/op...cord.html?_r=0 A Cruel and Unusual Record

    By JIMMY CARTER

    "Revelations that top officials are targeting people to be assassinated abroad, including American citizens, are only the most recent, disturbing proof of how far our nation’s violation of human rights has extended. This development began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has been sanctioned and escalated by bipartisan executive and legislative actions, without dissent from the general public. As a result, our country can no longer speak with moral authority on these critical issues. While the country has made mistakes in the past, the widespread abuse of human rights over the last decade has been a dramatic change from the past. With leadership from the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in 1948 as “the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world.” This was a bold and clear commitment that power would no longer serve as a cover to oppress or injure people, and it established equal rights of all people to life, liberty, security of person, equal protection of the law and freedom from torture, arbitrary detention or forced exile. " "In addition to American citizens’ being targeted for assassination or indefinite detention, recent laws have canceled the restraints in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to allow unprecedented violations of our rights to privacy through warrantless wiretapping and government mining of our electronic communications. Popular state laws permit detaining individuals because of their appearance, where they worship or with whom they associate.
    Despite an arbitrary rule that any man killed by drones is declared an enemy terrorist, the death of nearby innocent women and children is accepted as inevitable. After more than 30 airstrikes on civilian homes this year in Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai has demanded that such attacks end, but the practice continues in areas of Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen that are not in any war zone. We don’t know how many hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed in these attacks, each one approved by the highest authorities in Washington. This would have been unthinkable in previous times. "

    Are we now the big human rights abuser?
    Do the citizens care? Should they care?
    Does it make you feel proud?
    Do you actually feel personally threatened by Terrorism?



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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    I am fine with drone attacks on terrorist convoys in the middle of the desert, training camps and isolated local's but when you start killing surrounding innocent civilians you are doing more harm than good by creating 10 new terrorist for every one you kill. Some people will say it is standard collateral damage but we are doing these bombings in areas that are not declared war zones so that argument is null and void.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    I suppose Carter is right and Obama IS a war criminal and human rights violator and should be arrested and held to stand trial.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I suppose Carter is right and Obama IS a war criminal and human rights violator and should be arrested and held to stand trial.

    It would also be necessary to arrest Saint Ronnie, Bush 1, Billy Clintoooon, and Bush the Moron. Sounds like a plan. Let's get started.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Jimmy Carter is a royal, preachy, pain in the ass who almost 40 years on still can't stomach the fact he was an abomination as President.

    However, on the issue of drone attacks in countries that are not "officially" declared war zones, the man is correct.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am fine with drone attacks on terrorist convoys in the middle of the desert, training camps and isolated local's but when you start killing surrounding innocent civilians you are doing more harm than good by creating 10 new terrorist for every one you kill. Some people will say it is standard collateral damage but we are doing these bombings in areas that are not declared war zones so that argument is null and void.
    Your understanding is exactly correct and the "Collateral Damage" is unacceptable and that is the point. I'm also not so sure that the "War on Terror" is anything more than a Corporate sales pitch by the Military/Industrial Complex to drum up business. A huge Media exaggeration of real time threats.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Jimmy Carter is a royal, preachy, pain in the ass who almost 40 years on still can't stomach the fact he was an abomination as President.

    However, on the issue of drone attacks in countries that are not "officially" declared war zones, the man is correct.
    First time I have agreed with Carter too.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It would also be necessary to arrest Saint Ronnie, Bush 1, Billy Clintoooon, and Bush the Moron. Sounds like a plan. Let's get started.
    Was Bush doing this in heavily populated civilian areas? Honest question, I thought he wasn't.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It would also be necessary to arrest Saint Ronnie, Bush 1, Billy Clintoooon, and Bush the Moron. Sounds like a plan. Let's get started.
    Sure thing. Set it off. You probably should have asked the question you MEANT to ask in your poll. "The US" is very vague and generic and its kinda tough to pin anything on anyone actually responsible. SO now we have it rolling...is Barrack Obama along with all those others you mention a 'war criminal' (and I guess we should include Kennedy and Johnson in the mix).

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Was Bush doing this in heavily populated civilian areas? Honest question, I thought he wasn't.

    Human Rights. Bush made torture the USA interrogation standard. Need I say more? Bush1 and Saint Ronnie imported cocaine from Nicaragua and sold it in Los Angeles to finance weapons for the Contras. That's why Bush 1 pardoned eight cabinet members. Slick Willy Tomahawk missiled Afghanistan to try to assassinate Bin Ladin (good try, failed because he told the Pakistan ISI about it and they finked out to OBL and the SAME ISI GEN. MAHMOUD was a $50,000 Mohammed Atta financier)
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