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Thread: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You may want to rethink that. Here are just a few. Follow the link for many more examples.

    November 3, 2010 Gaza Strip Mohammed Nimnim al-Qaeda affiliated, Army of Islam commander[52] Car explosion, due to either a bomb planted by Israel or an Israeli airstrike.[53] IAF, with Egyptian intelligence
    November 17, 2010 Gaza Strip Islam Yassin al-Qaeda affiliated, Army of Islam commander[54] Israeli airstrike on his car, killing him, his brother, and injuring four others.[55] IAF
    November 29, 2010 Iran Majid Shahriari Iranian nuclear scientist Killed in a car bomb. According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel Israel was behind the killing.[56] Mossad (Alleged)
    November 29, 2010 Iran Attempted killing of Fereydoon Abbasi. Iranian nuclear scientist Wounded in a car bomb
    .[57][58] Mossad (Alleged)
    January 11, 2011 Gaza Strip Mohammed A-Najar Islamic Jihad operative, suspected of planning attacks against civilians and launching rockets at Israel[59] Attacked by the Israel Airforce while driving his motorcycle in the Gaza Strip.[59] IAF
    April 9, 2011 Gaza Strip Tayseer Abu Snima Senior Hamas commander Killed along with 2 of his bodyguards by the Israeli air force during a period of escalated rocket fire from Gaza. He was the most senior Hamas commander killed since 2009.[60] IAF
    July 23, 2011 Iran Darioush Rezaeinejad Iranian nuclear scientist Killed by unknown gunmen on motorcycle. The German Newspaper Der Spiegel claimed Mossad was behind the operation. He is the third Iranian nuclear scientist killed since 2010.[61] Mossad (Alleged)
    August 18, 2011 Gaza Strip Abu Oud al-Nirab and Khaled Shaath Popular Resistance Committees Commanders Killed hours after a terrorist attack killed 7 Israelis in southern Israel. 4 additional members of the group were killed in the strike.[62] IAF, Shin Bet
    January 11, 2012 Iran Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan Iranian nuclear scientist The bomb that killed Ahmadi-Roshan at the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, and another unidentified person was a magnetic one and the same as the ones previously used for the assassination of the scientists, and the "...work of the Zionists [Israelis]," deputy Tehran governor Safarali Baratloo said.[63]
    [64][65]
    Mossad (Alleged)
    March 9, 2012 Gaza Strip Zuhir al-Qaisi Secretary-General of the Popular Resistance Committees According to Israeli intelligence, he was planning an imminent attack.[66] IAF
    November 14, 2012 Gaza Strip Ahmed Jaabari Commander of Hamas' military wing Killed in an airstrike at the start of Operation Pillar of Cloud. Led Hamas' 2007 takeover of the Gaza Strip and, according to Israel, was responsible for most attacks on Israel originating in Gaza from about 2006 to 2012, including the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.[67] IAF


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    So you are advocating the Israeli approach, which apparently largely consists of air strikes. And that is different from drone strikes how, exactly?
    And we are not Israel. We are not blessed with on the ground intelligence assets to feed us precise data. Are you at all familiar with the tribal regions of northwest Pakistan? It's bandit country. The terrorists live there for a reason.
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So you are advocating the Israeli approach, which apparently largely consists of air strikes. And that is different from drone strikes how, exactly?
    And we are not Israel. We are not blessed with on the ground intelligence assets to feed us precise data. Are you at all familiar with the tribal regions of northwest Pakistan? It's bandit country. The terrorists live there for a reason.
    I am advocating assasinations instead of million dollar missiles killing the target and everyone around him and proving you wrong about assasinations being the thing of novels.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    I vote yes in the fact of wrong use of the word "war" and used together "on terror" To me it is unjustified war. No true battle field, no enemy soldier, no way to end. It has become synonymous with passing bull**** laws, here, "for our safety"
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    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/op...cord.html?_r=0 A Cruel and Unusual Record

    By JIMMY CARTER

    "Revelations that top officials are targeting people to be assassinated abroad, including American citizens, are only the most recent, disturbing proof of how far our nation’s violation of human rights has extended. This development began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has been sanctioned and escalated by bipartisan executive and legislative actions, without dissent from the general public. As a result, our country can no longer speak with moral authority on these critical issues. While the country has made mistakes in the past, the widespread abuse of human rights over the last decade has been a dramatic change from the past. With leadership from the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in 1948 as “the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world.” This was a bold and clear commitment that power would no longer serve as a cover to oppress or injure people, and it established equal rights of all people to life, liberty, security of person, equal protection of the law and freedom from torture, arbitrary detention or forced exile. " "In addition to American citizens’ being targeted for assassination or indefinite detention, recent laws have canceled the restraints in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to allow unprecedented violations of our rights to privacy through warrantless wiretapping and government mining of our electronic communications. Popular state laws permit detaining individuals because of their appearance, where they worship or with whom they associate.
    Despite an arbitrary rule that any man killed by drones is declared an enemy terrorist, the death of nearby innocent women and children is accepted as inevitable. After more than 30 airstrikes on civilian homes this year in Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai has demanded that such attacks end, but the practice continues in areas of Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen that are not in any war zone. We don’t know how many hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed in these attacks, each one approved by the highest authorities in Washington. This would have been unthinkable in previous times. "

    Are we now the big human rights abuser?
    Do the citizens care? Should they care?
    Does it make you feel proud?
    Do you actually feel personally threatened by Terrorism?


    Does dropping bombs on whomever the **** we want for whatever the **** we want count as human rights abuse? Don't we, as America, get to define these terms? If we're setting the definitions, then by no means could we ever be a human rights abuser.
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Does dropping bombs on whomever the **** we want for whatever the **** we want count as human rights abuse? Don't we, as America, get to define these terms? If we're setting the definitions, then by no means could we ever be a human rights abuser.

    Ah yes. The Media is setting the definitions in this Country. The beauty of the Internet is that you can read all Countries news and objective viewpoints, eh. I just don't know why the other Countries don't agree with USA Mass Media. How 'bout that.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    I regret to say my vote was "yes"

    1) We assassinate innocent civilians abroad without trial or due cause.
    2) We assassinate/imprison our OWN CITIZENS without trial or due cause.
    3) We are putting dangerous chemicals like aspartame in our food and not only giving it to our citizens, but
    also selling it to the rest of the world.

    I'd say the answer is EASILY a yes.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    I'd say that every President since Carter has been one.
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Simple answer. YES! However he has stopped the TORTURE institutionalized by Bush the Lesser. Yes to Kennedy and Johnson. Kennedy for Bay of Pigs and LBJ for Vietnam and specifically the Gulf of Tonkin lies..
    When did he stop the torture?

    Torture under Obama | Cato Institute

    Torture continues at Guantánamo under Obama’s watch
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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I'd say that every President since Carter has been one.

    Agreed, but how do we change it? You know and I know it does not represent the attitude of the typical citizen of the USA.

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    Re: Has the USA actually become an International HUMAN RIGHTS abuser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And, in the end, leave them alone because they choose to hide among civilians and therefore get a free ride?

    No, I don't think so. The 'civilians' they choose to hide among are, for the most part, sympathizers. You lay down with dogs, you may get the same flea spray as they get.
    You have any evidence of that?
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